09-24-2009, 05:06 AM
Location: About 10 miles north of Pittsburgh International
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Quote:Hopes Okay, then. Who dares to go downtown with me to check it out tomorrow?
A) Let's don't anybody do anything stupid.
B) Getting anywhere near the action unless you are absolutely required to be, would be the epitome of stupid.
09-24-2009, 05:11 AM
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Hopes
I'm just not going to take this sitting down. Who are these Moderate Voice people?!?!?!?
Well the author is someone named simply "Elrod" who isn't listed among their writers so I can't find any credentials (at least in the few minutes I was willing to look.) Anyway, I think his whole premise is flawed. His reasoning is that Pittsburgh had a huge impact on the building of areas around the Appalchian region, which in itself is true, but the article makes it sound as though that impact just stopped at the borders of the Appalachian region, and that without Pittsburgh, other areas in Appalachia wouldn't exist. The latter is a bit of a chicken and egg exercise, and using the former, you could just as easily argue that Pittsburgh is the capital of the world because Pittsburgh steel and the bridge engineers at American Bridge Company built many of skyscrapers and bridges throughout the world during the industrial revolution. So the whole thing is just an exercise in trying to tie a title on the city by someone who might have some sort of knowledge or could just be a someone in the PJs typing on the internet. (Like me...)
09-24-2009, 05:24 AM
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i've also been going back and forth on going downtown to check things out. i'm credentialed to go into the innermost security perimeter (besides the g20 itself). but i know how easy it is to get arrested at these things if you go anywhere near the protesters.
09-24-2009, 05:24 AM
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ditchdigger
A) Let's don't anybody do anything stupid.
We know. Reason will prevail. It's just driving me crazy that there's no information!
09-24-2009, 05:26 AM
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groar
...but i know how easy it is to get arrested at these things if you go anywhere near the protesters.
I'm less concerned with getting arrested and more concerned with getting hit by the police.
Why can't we wear shirts that say "Pittsburgh Citizen Observer" or "Pittsburgh Citizen on the Sidelines" or "Just Watching, Not Protesting"
09-24-2009, 05:36 AM
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Tinare
Well the author is someone named simply "Elrod" who isn't listed among their writers so I can't find any credentials (at least in the few minutes I was willing to look.) Anyway, I think his whole premise is flawed. His reasoning is that Pittsburgh had a huge impact on the building of areas around the Appalchian region, which in itself is true, but the article makes it sound as though that impact just stopped at the borders of the Appalachian region, and that without Pittsburgh, other areas in Appalachia wouldn't exist. The latter is a bit of a chicken and egg exercise, and using the former, you could just as easily argue that Pittsburgh is the capital of the world because Pittsburgh steel and the bridge engineers at American Bridge Company built many of skyscrapers and bridges throughout the world during the industrial revolution.
Since Pittsburgh is in one of the first colonies, I get how Pittsburgh contributed towards populating the immediate Appalachian areas such as West Virginia. However, Pittsburgh also played a part in populating Ohio and farther West too.
Back to the whole "Capital" concept. Even if it were true that Pittsburgh historically had a huge impact, that doesn't make it a capital any more than Philadelphia would be the capital of Pennsylvania or even the Capital of the United States. Yet Harrisburg is the Capital of Pennsylvania and Washington DC is the Capital of the United States.
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Tinare
So the whole thing is just an exercise in trying to tie a title on the city by someone who might have some sort of knowledge or could just be a someone in the PJs typing on the internet. (Like me...)
I'd much rather read your thoughts over Elrods!
09-24-2009, 05:58 AM
Location: Yeah
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Originally Posted by
Hopes
Okay, then. Who dares to go downtown with me to check it out tomorrow?
I am kicking myself over and over for not taking these two days off, but I'd probably end up getting myself in a situation I wish I hadn't in the end. Last night, on my way home, I made a few stops to get some pictures of the sights. I was just about home and for some reason decided to head down by Pitt and CMU, and was glad I did. I ran in to a group of peaceful young people marching up Forbes Ave. Sure enough, a long line of police cars and Budget Rental vans full of police in riot gear were following them, along with a helicopter over head. On one hand, I understand the police trying to stay ahead of any situation that would/could cause a threat, but on the other hand, I had to laugh, because they were a friendly bunch of kids who were marching and chanting peacefully up the street.
09-24-2009, 06:13 AM
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Hopes
I'm less concerned with getting arrested and more concerned with getting hit by the police.
Why can't we wear shirts that say "Pittsburgh Citizen Observer" or "Pittsburgh Citizen on the Sidelines" or "Just Watching, Not Protesting"
you could talk to the aclu about being an observer for them and getting a nice orange helmet, although that doesn't necessarily mean you won't be arrested/beaten!
09-24-2009, 06:24 AM
Location: Hell with the lid off, baby!
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I made a few stops to get some pictures of the sights.
You should post them!!!
09-24-2009, 06:36 AM
Location: Mid-Atlantic
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I wonder if all this will hurt the Pirates attendance?
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House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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