Is Pittsburgh A Northeast/Mid Atlantic/Mid West Town? (crime)

[Craziaskowboi]

Originally Posted by pittsburghaccuweather

Cleveland is not a strictly Ed’s an meds economy like Pittsburgh.

What percentage of the Cleveland metropolitan area is employed in "eds and meds," and what percentage of the Pittsburgh metropolitan area is?

NOTE: The proper answer for both questions is a number, with or without a decimal point, followed by a percentage symbol (%). Any attempt to answer without a specific numeric value is not an answer.

[SteelCityRising]

Pittsburgh is definitely not just "eds and meds". We also have a robust financial sector (PNC, BNY Mellon, Dollar Bank---to name a few---with Chase and Bank of America now aggressively opening branches here). We have a growing tech sector---so much so that it was just announced today that the Strip District is getting its first skyscraper being speculatively built to court tech firms like the ones that have already set up nearby (Facebook, Apple, UBER, Ford Argo AI, etc.) We also, of course, have the National Robotics Engineering Center, Google, Microsoft, and Intel. There are many mid-size law firms here. The suburbs have some major employers, too (FedEx Ground, DICK's Sporting Goods, Mylan, Westinghouse, etc.)

I'll give you that neither GNC nor U.S. Steel seem to be doing all that well right now, however...and we know Bayer is closing its Robinson Township site.

[pittsburghaccuweather]

Originally Posted by Craziaskowboi

What percentage of the Cleveland metropolitan area is employed in "eds and meds," and what percentage of the Pittsburgh metropolitan area is?

NOTE: The proper answer for both questions is a number, with or without a decimal point, followed by a percentage symbol (%). Any attempt to answer without a specific numeric value is not an answer.

Rounding without the decimal point. August 1, 2019 BLS site

Ed’s and meds in Cleveland: 19 %
Ed’s and meds in Pittsburgh: 21%

Financial jobs in both cities are 6%

Information high tech jobs are 1% in both cities

Manufacturing in cleveland makes up 11% of the jobs

Manufacturing in Pittsburgh is only 7% of jobs

Leisure and hospitality jobs are 11% of the jobs in Pittsburgh

Leisure and hospitality jobs are 10% of Cleveland jobs which pay higher.

Average weekly wages in Allegheny county are $1119.00 lower than us average of $1144.00
Average weekly wages in Cuyahoga County are $1145.00 a dollar more than US average

Cleveland metro has an employment population of 1,089,500 and is a 5 county metro.

Pittsburgh metro employment is 1,200,300 and is a 7 county metro.

What else do you want to know? Ed’s and meds make up more of Pittsburgh area jobs. The national average wage of a nurse is $36.30 an hour. In Pittsburgh the wage is 31.85 and in Cleveland it is 33.64 an hour for nurses

Computer systems analyst make over $40 an hour in Cleveland, but less than $45 which is national average Pittsburgh’s wages aren’t reported for that job sector, which is weird since tech is so big here.


Overall Pittsburgh wages are 24.07 an hour. In Cleveland wages are 24.27 an hour. Sorry way too much research. I guess Cleveland doesn’t suck so bad after all. Wages are a bit higher than the burgh.

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

Pittsburgh is definitely not just "eds and meds". We also have a robust financial sector (PNC, BNY Mellon, Dollar Bank---to name a few---with Chase and Bank of America now aggressively opening branches here). We have a growing tech sector---so much so that it was just announced today that the Strip District is getting its first skyscraper being speculatively built to court tech firms like the ones that have already set up nearby (Facebook, Apple, UBER, Ford Argo AI, etc.) We also, of course, have the National Robotics Engineering Center, Google, Microsoft, and Intel. There are many mid-size law firms here. The suburbs have some major employers, too (FedEx Ground, DICK's Sporting Goods, Mylan, Westinghouse, etc.)

I'll give you that neither GNC nor U.S. Steel seem to be doing all that well right now, however...and we know Bayer is closing its Robinson Township site.

It’s mostly Ed’s and meds. 21 percent of the jobs are in that. No other job set is close percentage wise. The lack of manufacturing really hurts the region. The tech sector is growing but it only makes up 1% of the jobs in Pittsburgh. Over 30 percent of Pittsburgh jobs are Ed’s/meds as well as leisure and hospitality. That 30 percent pays much lower than the US average and that’s the problem.

There are good things happening, but in reality the percentage of jobs is nearly identical with a city like Cleveland. One could argue most sectors make up the same percentage of jobs other than manufacturing which is 4 percent higher up by the lake than down here at the 3 rivers.

Yep Bayer is gone. It’s spinoff covestro is all that’s left. I anticipate that space will be gobbled up. The airport area is going gangbusters right now. Manufacturing in the Weirton metro has jumped by 3.8 percent from July 18 to July 19. Overall jobs though down 1.7 in Weirton metro, which is kinda surprising. Trade, utitlies and transportation dropped 3.5 percent here and govt jobs 4.7 percent.

Change is defiantly happening in the Wheeling metro. 3.8 percent from 2017 to 2018 and now 4.4 percent from 2018 to 2019 overall. Pittsburgh’s overall was 0.7 growth from 2018 to 2019.

Us steel is a dinosaur and I’m surprised they are still around. I have a friend that lives in the Cleveland area. He was hired by Kennametal corporate HQ in downtown Pittsburgh, but he won’t be living in the Pittsburgh area. They are allowing him to work remote as long as there is an airport close by. He’s gonna stay near Cleveland. He was just hired this month

[Moby Hick]

Pittsburgh and Cleveland are way more similar that I had figured. I guess Cleveland has more serial killers.

[pittsburghaccuweather]

Originally Posted by Moby Hick

Pittsburgh and Cleveland are way more similar that I had figured. I guess Cleveland has more serial killers.

Pittsburgh and Cleveland are mirror images economically. No question. Literally like twins.


Cincinnati has similar topography to Pittsburgh, but it’s economy is much different.

20 percent of Cincinnati jobs are in Trade, transportation and utilities.
15 percent are in professional business services
14 percent are in Ed’s and meds

It’s more balanced which explains its growth. 35 percent of jobs are trade, transportation, utilities and professional business services.

Cleveland and Pittsburgh over 30 percent of the jobs are Ed’s meds and hospitality industry. Lower wage jobs and non profits.

Computer systems analysis make 43 bucks an hour there more than Cleveland and Pittsburgh is 38’or 39.

Cincinnati and Columbus are identical in economic makeup much like how Pittsburgh and Cleveland are.

Of all the cities Columbus wages are the highest followed by Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati. Average wage that is.

So basically if you hate Cleveland you should hate Pittsburgh as well. If you like Cincinnati you should like Columbus etc. LOl.

Anyways the bls site is cool. I’m sure there is a correlation with the majority of jobs and where Columbus and Cincinnati have grown while Pittsburgh and Cleveland haven’t. Wages etc. Cincinnati is cheapest and Pittsburgh/ Cleveland are the most expensive. Go figure. you can see every metro summary for the USA. On the site. Pittsburgh is considered north mid Atlantic btw. Lol. Cleveland is east north central according to bls site. Neither cities are Midwest or northeastern!

Anyways what did U mean by serial killer?

[Moby Hick]

Originally Posted by pittsburghaccuweather

Anyways what did U mean by serial killer?

Just the news reports for the past decade and a half seem to have more arrested serial killers from Cleveland (and Ohio in general) than Pittsburgh.

[Knepper3]

Hey at least Cleveland knows how to market itself



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[Craziaskowboi]

You:

Originally Posted by pittsburghaccuweather

Pittsburgh and Cleveland are mirror images economically. No question. Literally like twins.

Also you:

Originally Posted by pittsburghaccuweather

Cleveland is not a strictly Ed’s an meds economy like Pittsburgh.

So which is it?

[pittsburghaccuweather]

Originally Posted by Craziaskowboi

You:



Also you:



So which is it?

Pittsburgh is 21 percent and Cleveland is 19 percent. Pittsburgh has a tad more but essentially you were right about Cleveland. The majority of jobs in Cleveland like Pittsburgh. Also the second largest percentage of jobs in Cleveland and Pittsburgh are the hospitality and leisure industry.

So yes you are right about Cleveland and the economic makeup as far as job percentages is literally a 1 for 1 swap with Pittsburgh. The only difference is Cleveland has 4 percent more manufacturing, which probably explains why the Ed’s and meds up there aren’t 21 percent of the jobs like Pittsburgh.

So I was wrong and you were right.

Those economic snapshot pages are great. I am interested in seeing the northeast metros as well a few other Midwest or rust belt metros compared to Pittsburgh.

A reason why downtown Cincinnati probably feels different and “nicer” than downtown Pittsburgh according to a Pittsburgh area poster probably has to do with the types of jobs people work there as opposed to here.

Pittsburgh like Cleveland has a 1/3 of their jobs in Ed’s/ meds and hospitality/ leisure. Cincinnati has a third of their jobs under utilities,transportation trade and professional business services. While Cincinnati may be topographically similar the economic makeup of that city appears much more diverse with Ed’s and meds being number 3 for jobs and leisure hospitality being down a little further than that.

I am going to look at the other metro pages. The northeast cities like in upstate ny and then the Boston’s New York’s Philadelphia’s etc. what makes up most of their jobs etc.

[pittsburghaccuweather]

Healthcare is the largest industry in both Pittsburgh and Cleveland. The second largest is transportation trade and utilities. Leisure and hospitality are much further down the list in both. Sorry for the confusion.

Healthcare is the number 1 industry in Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Philadelphia, NYC, Rochester, Boston , Baltimore, Wheeling and Weirton.

Transportation, trade and utilities are number 1 in Cincinnati, Columbus, Syracuse, Indianapolis, Minneapolis, Charlotte and Buffalo.

Manufacturing is number 1 in Grand Rapids.

Professional and business services is number 1 in Detroit, Raleigh NC and Washington DC

A random smattering of cities and their largest employment industry