Pittsburgh Transit vs. Other Cities (York, Lebanon: place to live, buses, suburb)

[PhillytoCincy]

Originally Posted by creepsinc

That's why when discussing transit, Pittsburgh should be compared to cities like Cincinnati or possibly Buffalo or even Cleveland. Not sprawling Western cities rapidly filling up with people.

I would live in Cincinnati, Cleveland or Pittsburgh over sprawling messes out west anyday.

Cincy, The Cleve, and Pitt all look great!

[pman]

Originally Posted by Impala26

LOL, Care to elaborate?

I seriously think the people interested should use like google maps or something to make their own ideal transit maps or something.

I'll try to as soon as I get a solid chunk of free time.

two more words: build it

[creepsinc]

Originally Posted by Beavercreek33

I would live in Cincinnati, Cleveland or Pittsburgh over sprawling messes out west anyday.

Cincy, The Cleve, and Pitt all look great!

Having done both, I couldn't agree with you more.

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by Beavercreek33

I would live in Cincinnati, Cleveland or Pittsburgh over sprawling messes out west anyday.

Cincy, The Cleve, and Pitt all look great!

Which cities do you believe are "sprawling messes"?

[creepsinc]

Originally Posted by Katiana

Which cities do you believe are "sprawling messes"?

Practically any sizable, booming western city surrounded by open space ie. most of them outside of the Northwest.

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by creepsinc

Practically any sizable, booming western city surrounded by open space ie. most of them outside of the Northwest.

Oh, good. I thought you were talking about Denver. Except for the airport, its boundaries haven't changed much since a 1974 amendment to the Colorado constitution. Some of the boundaries go back to the formation of the City and County of Denver in 1902.

[BrianTH]

I'll stand up for Denver, which is outside the Northwest and rapidly growing, but I think belongs in the same category with Portland and Seattle. It has some sprawly areas, but so for that matter does Pittsburgh or any other major American city. The two things the Denver area has that I really like are a well-developed core area, and then many attractive smaller satellite towns (e.g., Boulder is fantastic).

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by BrianTH

I'll stand up for Denver, which is outside the Northwest and rapidly growing, but I think belongs in the same category with Portland and Seattle. It has some sprawly areas, but so for that matter does Pittsburgh or any other major American city. The two things the Denver area has that I really like are a well-developed core area, and then many attractive smaller satellite towns (e.g., Boulder is fantastic).

Thank you. There are many suburbs there that are little cities in their own right, actually most of the suburbs are cities. My little suburban city, Louisville, is an old coal mining town. It has done a lot to maintain its historical roots. It's walkable. It has transit.

[BrianTH]

Originally Posted by Katiana

Thank you. There are many suburbs there that are little cities in their own right, actually most of the suburbs are cities. My little suburban city, Louisville, is an old coal mining town. It has done a lot to maintain its historical roots. It's walkable. It has transit.

In my view that whole suburb as small town thing is exactly the right model for suburban development (including here in Pittsburgh too--I view places like Mt. Lebanon as model suburbs), and it is really obvious in the Denver area how the former scattering of historic mining towns and such served as the basis for that kind of development.

Of course according to CNNMoney you live in the #1 small town in America, so I guess we aren't pushing the envelope by praising its virtues.

[Drover]

I found public transit in Pittsburgh to be utterly flummoxing. I think you need to become pretty familiar with the area where you live and where your destinations are before you can get a fix on how to use public transit to get from one to the other. And I never did figure out how you determine whether you pay when you get on or get off, or how they knew how much. But most of all, mass transit just couldn't compete with my own car for convenience. Most of the places I wanted to go to, I had no problems finding parking within a block or two, and frequently less than that. The notable exceptions were downtown and the campus area in Oakland. There are some notable bottlenecks in town, but IMO getting around town by car is pretty easy once you figure out the crazy street layout -- that is, once you learn to navigate by landmark.