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Old 06-11-2010, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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WRONG: Gov't knew this scenario could happen (http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/08/1670461/oil-disaster-scenario-plays-out.html - broken link), knew of the problems with that well, and knew spill could be big early on. Try again.



On site 24 hours, standing there doing nothing, because they didn't have a clue as to what to do.



Rare, but quite possible. It's not as though we've never ever experienced a spill before. Just because the frequency is different, doesn't mean there should not have been a plan for the spill. Don't tell me it never occurred to anyone in the fed. disaster planning department that a large oil spill could happen, and what should we do about it. What part of the definition of PLANNING do you not understand? Oh, and yes, we DO have ways to contain the spill.



Isn't part of oversight following up to see if the contractor is telling the truth or not? Ever worked for the federal gov't and manage a contractor? There's TONS of metrics which the government uses to double check the contractor.


You HAVE to be some Obama shill to write this. Let's deconstruct this. A) Change wording to shift focus from oil spill to oil well, which implicitly is of a lesser geographical scope. B) Hint, I think the current oil SPILL geographic coverage is a bit bigger than just the well, and is MUCH larger than the size of New Orleans.



Wong on all counts. Try again and develop new talking points.
From your first link:

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WASHINGTON -- A decade ago, U.S. government regulators warned that a major deepwater oil spill could start with a fire on a drilling rig, prove hard to stop and cause extensive damage to fish eggs and wetlands because there were few good ways to capture oil underwater.
Read more: U.S. knew of Gulf oil spill risk - Gulf Oil Spill - MiamiHerald.com (http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/08/1670461/oil-disaster-scenario-plays-out.html#ixzz0qYmGlPRc - broken link)

What the hell did Bush and Cheney do from 2001 until 2009, sit on their thumbs?

However, since you seem to want another corporate bailout, it is in the works.

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- The U.S. government has spent about $140 million in cleaning up the oil gushing into the Gulf of Mexico, Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the government's response manager, said Friday.
Allen said federal authorities plan to keep "pouring in assets."
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/11/gul...ex.html?hpt=T2
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Old 06-11-2010, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I know many people think the Government is omnipotent, it isn't. It is very capable, but there are limits to it's power. The President is certainly being unfairly hurt, politically, because of the limitations, I don't think that is his major concern at the moment. This mess will be handled eventually, cleaned up, more stringent regs and increased oversight. Deep water offshore drilling will resume. Some, inexplicably, want it to resume now. I think the Pres is absolutely correct in halting it, until there is some assurance that another disaster isn't lurking.
Why does the answer to all our problems involve more government ?
It's obvious the government didn't do what they were supposed to do with the regs/oversight currently in place.

Why not fix what is broken FIRST and go from there. To add more regs won't help if they are not followed.

Inspection reports filled in with pencil by BP people and handed to the government inspectors who then just traced them in ink ??????
That's just one single example..the press is full of more like this.
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Old 06-11-2010, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Why does the answer to all our problems involve more government ?
It's obvious the government didn't do what they were supposed to do with the regs/oversight currently in place.

Why not fix what is broken FIRST and go from there. To add more regs won't help if they are not followed.

Inspection reports filled in with pencil by BP people and handed to the government inspectors who then just traced them in ink ??????
That's just one single example..the press is full of more like this.
How long had this been going on?
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Old 06-11-2010, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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How long had this been going on?
Does it really matter ? It's going on today and that's what is important.
The current administration now is well aware, as is the public, that the MMS is not doing their job and not following the rules.

I'm not partisan so it doesn't matter to me if this was going on for weeks, months or years. The important data point is that it is going on TODAY, in the here and now.

Don't put more regs on top of regs that are not being followed.
Call Salazar on the carpet..fire them all and bring in people who will follow the rules and do their job and shut down rigs that don't meet the standard.

You can blame whichever President you want but I'm not playing that game.
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Old 06-11-2010, 09:56 AM
 
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From your first link:

says:

Read more: U.S. knew of Gulf oil spill risk - Gulf Oil Spill - MiamiHerald.com (http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/08/1670461/oil-disaster-scenario-plays-out.html#ixzz0qYmGlPRc - broken link)

What the hell did Bush and Cheney do from 2001 until 2009, sit on their thumbs?

However, since you seem to want another corporate bailout, it is in the works.



U.S. has spent $140 million in oil cleanup, official says - CNN.com
A decade ago Bill Clinton was in office. The better question is: What did Bill Clinton do to address the issue and what, if any, did George W. Bush do to change those policies? Do you have evidence that Clinton put any measure in place? Do you have any evidence that GWB changed those measures for the worse?

If Bill Clinton didn't do anything, then he too is culpable.

Didn't think about that, now did you?

Didn't think so.
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Old 06-11-2010, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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A decade ago Bill Clinton was in office. The better question is: What did Bill Clinton do to address the issue and what, if any, did George W. Bush do to change those policies? Do you have evidence that Clinton put any measure in place? Do you have any evidence that GWB changed those measures for the worse?

If Bill Clinton didn't do anything, then he too is culpable.

Didn't think about that, now did you?

Didn't think so.
Clinton and Obama pres. for about 1 year as this started and as his presidency started respectively. Bush/Cheney sitting on their oil tainted thumbs for 8 years!

I am laughing about your predictable apologetics for the Bush/ Oil-Cheney administration.
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Old 06-11-2010, 10:45 AM
 
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I defy any person, liberal, conservative, or moderate, to provide good rationale as to why this is not "Obama's Katrina."

I'm looking for good, reasoned, rationale. Do you have any?
How about this for starters?

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More than national security, energy policy and the oil industry might be considered Cheney's real areas of expertise. He was chairman and CEO of oil-services company Halliburton between 1995 and 2000. And, of course, he worked prominently on energy.
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In 2001 Cheney headed a team tasked with developing national energy policy. The Washington Post reported that many of those consulted were from big oil and gas companies, some also donors to the Bush campaign and the Republican Party. The task force's executive director, Andrew D. Lundquist, subsequently became a lobbyist representing companies who appeared before him—including, according to the Post, BP, Duke Energy, and the American Petroleum Institute. Critics accused the administration of cronyism, and argued that the National Energy Policy Report, issued by the White House in May 2001, was unfairly lax toward the "dirty energy" companies at the expense of renewable and sustainable alternatives.
In 2005 President Bush signed the Energy Policy Act, which retained the focus of Cheney's report, into law. It included what has become known as "the Halliburton loophole," which removed authority from the Environmental Protection Agency to regulate a potentially dangerous gas-drilling process invented by Halliburton.
Why Is Dick Cheney Silent on the Oil Spill? - Newsweek
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Old 06-11-2010, 10:56 AM
 
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Why is Dick Cheney Silent on the Oil Spill? Because as soon as he opens his mouth he will be slapped with a Subpoena
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Old 06-11-2010, 11:08 AM
 
Location: between Ath,GR & Mia,FL...
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I defy any person, liberal, conservative, or moderate, to provide good rationale as to why this is not "Obama's Katrina."

I'm looking for good, reasoned, rationale. Do you have any?


Collectivising an individual blame is a characteristic of totalitarian dictators...Italian gascisats,German Nazis,Soviet & other communists...

Civilised people embrace the concept of individual liability...

Obama - & any Pres- is innocent...

Can't be blamed for an...accident at 5000ft under the sea...

Nor should we blame BP.

It was bad luck.

Sh*t happens & it happened big time...

All parties are innocent.
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Old 06-11-2010, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Why is Dick Cheney Silent on the Oil Spill? Because as soon as he opens his mouth he will be slapped with a Subpoena
What criminal act did he do ?
I would say no more than those MMS folks that inked over penciled-in inspection reports on the oil rigs.

Or do they get a free pass because they are part of a Dem administration ?
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