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I am not against capitalism. It needs to be regulated. It needs to be watched. It must not be allowed to destroy the country and its people. Balances must be struck. Capitalism is an economic system and not a way of life where we are all supposed to slave to it. Capitalism should be a slave of the people and not the other way around.
"Advocacy of proletarian revolution — In order to overcome the fetters of private property the working class must seize political power internationally through a social revolution and expropriate the capitalist classes around the world and place the productive capacities of society into collective ownership. Upon this, material foundation classes would be abolished and the material basis for all forms of inequality between humankind would dissolve." Marxism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Please show examples of politicians working for a socialist revolution to abolish material foundation classes and place all productive capacities of society into collective ownership internationally, without a bourgeoisie?
No, there's still the elite ruling over the rest of the world, and no corp-bought democrat (or republican) would ever have it otherwise. They'll continue right under our noses while corp-bought GB unwittingly fires up the polarization of America, for a hefty profit. Divide and conquer.
...Then we get various "marxist" spouters telling me to research who is marxist because they have no real examples..
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Conservatism did not bring racism. Do you think racism doesn't exist in socialist countries or in those with a social democracy?
Many places in Europe "moved forward" and are now paying the price. When they simply put the brakes on some, people that feel entitled riot in the streets. That sounds great.
You really think you have that much control over big government? Look at world history and tell me anyplace where big government was controlled by the people. That has only happened with small government. Do you not think big government is influenced by the big banks and big insurance companies?
Your utopian view of "social justice" in contradicted by the facts of current examples and world history.
We have SOME control over big government via our vote. Some, not alot. To be honest, I would rather be a free human and have nobody control me but that is impossible in a neo capitalist society. Maybe hundreds of years ago man could plant a stake in the fertile grounds of Missouri and farm and till his land and be controlled by nobody. But those days are long ago gone. Therefore, since most all of us will have a Master, we must choose which Master to serve. I cannot vote for the people who run big banks, big insurance and big business. I can however vote for my government represenatives and, unlike the CEO of Home Depot who got another CEO job after he ran that company into the ground, we can replace our CEO if he fails to perform (ask Jimmy Carter).
If you consider a government social program, like Social Security, I have a vote in whether or not it will be cut or not. I do not have that vote with a private company. If the private company comes out tomorrow and says "we are ending our pension and/or our matching contributions to employee 401-K plans", there is nothing you can do. But if President Obama or my Congressman David Scott come out and say "we want to end Social Security", I can do something about that. Not much but something which is to vote.
We have SOME control over big government via our vote. Some, not alot. To be honest, I would rather be a free human and have nobody control me but that is impossible in a neo capitalist society. Maybe hundreds of years ago man could plant a stake in the fertile grounds of Missouri and farm and till his land and be controlled by nobody. But those days are long ago gone. Therefore, since most all of us will have a Master, we must choose which Master to serve. I cannot vote for the people who run big banks, big insurance and big business. I can however vote for my government represenatives and, unlike the CEO of Home Depot who got another CEO job after he ran that company into the ground, we can replace our CEO if he fails to perform (ask Jimmy Carter).
If you consider a government social program, like Social Security, I have a vote in whether or not it will be cut or not. I do not have that vote with a private company. If the private company comes out tomorrow and says "we are ending our pension and/or our matching contributions to employee 401-K plans", there is nothing you can do. But if President Obama or my Congressman David Scott come out and say "we want to end Social Security", I can do something about that. Not much but something which is to vote.
Okay, I understand what you're saying. However, if government were run like a business, the CEO, the Board etc. would have been long gone. It seems that voting gets more of the same. In our political system, there are small adjustments, but nobody has the courage to say that the "company" is being run into the ground and right the ship. If they were to try, it would be political suicide because the status quo keeps people in power. Take Social Security since you mentioned it. That money is spent all over the place. In a business, someone would be fired and potentially face charges. In government, you face an outrage if you seriously say the system is broken. People get angry and claim that you're taking food from their mouths, when you may actually be trying to address a serious problem. Greece can't afford their costs, but to address it brings riots in the street.
False. How many modern progressives do you know that seek to abolish private property?
Fail.
Did you seriously ask that question! The government takes private property everyday. You use abolish, I use taking away(in baby steps)
The laws are there that say they can.
Look how much property/land the Federal government has gobbled up, or is in the process of taking
Condemnation via eminent domain indicates the government is taking ownership of the property.
This use of the word should not be confused with its sense of a declaration that property is uninhabitable due to defects.
You do know that the communists are not "nice people". They are thieves and slavers.
From the Communist manifesto:
"In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."
If you're an owner of private property, you're their prey. It requires much bloodshed to make people surrender their property and obey.
{If the reports from the 1970s are accurate, the Marxist Weather Underground estimated that they would need to liquidate 25 million "counter revolutionaries".}
What has happened in Europe? You mean workers rights? Or perhaps the much better public health systems most Europeans enjoy? Or perhaps that they get about 3 more weeks of vacation every year than Americans do? Or maybe that most of them live longer and happier lives than Americans do? I am not frightened at all about Europe.
In case you havent notice europe is collasping because all those stupid people want all these goodies but dont want to work or pay for them. Name one country were any type of socialism has worked. Funny how the strongest nation in the world is capitalists and everyone else saying no were wrong lets be like the other countries that dont work and are going under.
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