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So is this the reason for George Bush allowing Rumsfeld to leave the administration? Sounds like a “lets distance ourselves from the man” trick. And it looks like Rummy just didn’t tell all his knew about Abu Ghraib abuse. Appears that Rummy lied to Congress about this issue while under oath.
General: Top officials knew of prison abuses - Newsday.com (broken link)
I am shocked! A member of this administration actually getting caught lying to Congress. I wonder if that is illegal and if he will be held accountable for his actions?
I am shocked! A member of this administration actually getting caught lying to Congress. I wonder if that is illegal and if he will be held accountable for his actions?
Rummy isn’t much different then the others in his group of criminals, it’s just that he’s out of there for now and the others left are continuing to run the business of our government the same way they have for the last 6 + years now. I guess I shouldn’t be shocked at what “they” do, but I am alarmed at “why” we as a nation continue to allow it! http://www.airamericaplace.com/boards/style_emoticons/default/shrug.gif (broken link)
Powerful thing to post, but sadly, very few responses. Americans are embarrassed by the truth. This Administration's support of torture is beyond comprehension. I find it utterly astonishing that simple majorities of those polled think it's OK. If they knew what it was and saw it firsthand, they'd run for the hills in shame. Out of sight, out of mind...out of their mind if you ask me. But, of course, America never faces the truth. It ignores it, like this and so many other important subjects.
Interesting that I’ve not heard much support for Rumsfeld and his actions of handling the war from the conservative side of the nation in the news. Seems that they (conservatives) just want to ignore the man and hope that all the bad things will go away.
I like to remind myself that George W. handpicked this administration to help him run the nation. My guess is that this was just another one of the mistakes that he made in picking a criminal to help run the war.
Is there any credibility with this administration anymore?
I find it funny to what we call abuse compared to say having your family raped and shot in front of you right before you're beheaded ... I'm having trouble drawing parallels.
I find it funny to what we call abuse compared to say having your family raped and shot in front of you right before you're beheaded ... I'm having trouble drawing parallels.
So, you mean that two wrongs make a right? We can mistreat them because they are horrible people and do horrible things to their enemies? I'd hate to see what they'd do to us in retaliation. You're asking for certain destruction if you pick this course of action.
Everybody complains about the enemy's atrocities but never looks in the mirror. The truth is that we have invaded peaceful states, purposefully directed the outcome of foreign elections, trained troops around the globe to kill and torture, used weapons on civilians for testing and development, etc. Our crimes are just as bad as theirs, just the details are different. Besides, what's on the news is intended to have maximum emotional impact. You must hate the enemy and you must hear this repeatedly.
When we can as a nation face the horror of our own actions we will be in a better position to move forward. Facing the truth is the American way, in my mind, and it's what we must do. Right now, if we think two wrongs make a right then eventually everyone will be dead. That's not a solution.
So, you mean that two wrongs make a right? We can mistreat them because they are horrible people and do horrible things to their enemies? I'd hate to see what they'd do to us in retaliation. You're asking for certain destruction if you pick this course of action.
Everybody complains about the enemy's atrocities but never looks in the mirror. The truth is that we have invaded peaceful states, purposefully directed the outcome of foreign elections, trained troops around the globe to kill and torture, used weapons on civilians for testing and development, etc. Our crimes are just as bad as theirs, just the details are different. Besides, what's on the news is intended to have maximum emotional impact. You must hate the enemy and you must hear this repeatedly.
When we can as a nation face the horror of our own actions we will be in a better position to move forward. Facing the truth is the American way, in my mind, and it's what we must do. Right now, if we think two wrongs make a right then eventually everyone will be dead. That's not a solution.
How can you compare making some one wear a leash with say ... oh I don't know ... chopping their head off. Put it in perspective please.
We invaded peaceful states ... oh that's right Iraq and the rest of the middle east has never had a day of trouble until we came along ... how could I have missed that one. Please buy a history book and read it.
I'm not going to set here pick you post apart, which I could I will tell you that I hope you find your Utopian world, here in this place I like to call "Reality" it's not so pretty. We have well over 5000 years of recorded history that shows man can not and will not get along ... you have 1 of 2 choices to make, be the victor or be the victim. Which do you choose?
Does that sound barbaric? Man is who he is, you work with what you've got.
Americans, I don't think like the ugly truth; it is quickly forgotten. Why Bush was really persuaded to invaded Iraq is only known by his Nazi nanny. The idea that the deadly "p*ss sticks" used by the Vietnams is more civil than 'water boarding' is silly. You don't get life saving information by saying please, and 'water boarding' regardless of how terrifying it might seem, will not kill you. It's been used for centuries. War IS brutal; it is not civil, and it is not for those with a conscience.
I am quite sure if the fanatics in Iran were convinced if they did not stop the saber rattling they would be destroyed from the mountains to the sea they would be more open to diplomacy and less to religious fervor. After all, it was Big Boy that ended WWII and brought peace for 50 years.
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lack of credibility in this administration
