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Old 06-12-2010, 09:50 AM
 
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[quote=hawkeye2009;14584604]And what responsibility exactly does Halburton have in the BP spill?

I think the main blame for this spill are the resposibility of many entities


BP: As the lease-holder of the Deepwater Horizon oil rig, BP bears ultimate legal responsibility for the cleanup. It will also have to pay damages. But how much responsibility does it bear for the explosion itself? The argument for the buck stopping at BP's feet is that the company was in charge, so it should have demanded the strongest safety standards possible. For example, BP could have demanded an acoustic switch that shuts off the well when the rig is damaged—a safety measure that's required in Norway and Brazil. Aggravating this narrative is BP's history of preventable disasters, including an explosion at a Texas refinery in 2005 and a leaky pipeline in Alaska in 2006. The Obama administration has also criticized BP for failing to act quickly or efficiently enough to clean up the spill and has demanded that it use a more environmentally friendly chemical dispersant.

Transocean Ltd.: While BP leased the rig, Transocean owned and operated it—and was therefore responsible for the equipment functioning properly. If the explosion was caused by a failed blowout preventer—a valve that seals off the wellhead—then Transocean would have to answer for it. BP executives also point to Transocean's Emergency Response Manual, which says that Transocean is responsible for activities on the rig—and therefore accidents—and that BP was only there to "assist."

Halliburton: Halliburton's job was to cement the base of the well. So to the extent that a poor cement job contributed to the spill, blame Halliburton. Shoddy cementing is common on oil rigs, but Halliburton executives told the Senate recently that they were simply following BP's instructions. Indeed, it appears that BP may have skimped on testing the strength of the cement before ordering Halliburton to apply it.

Minerals Management Service: The federal agency in charge of regulating the oil and gas industry has been almost a parody of incompetence. It let industry officials fill out their own inspection sheets and then traced it over in pen, according to an inspector general's report. Inspectors accepted gifts, like tickets to sports events and pricey dinners, from oil companies. They watched porn on their work computers. (Perhaps they were simply researching the "junk shot.") In at least one case, an investigator may have conducted an inspection while tripping on meth. Not to mention the exemption from environmental impact analysis given to the Deepwater Horizon drilling operation in 2009. (When MMS did assess it in 2007, it estimated that any oil spill wouldn't exceed 1,500 barrels total. The current leak is at least 5,000 barrels a day.) The Obama administration has slammed MMS for its ethical lapses and announced plans to dissolve the agency and replace it with two separate entities—one for regulation and one for revenues.

George W. Bush: The Bush administration is to MMS as BP is to Transocean: It was in charge when oil industry regulation was relaxed, so the blame may fall to them. Environmental lawyer Robert F. Kennedy Jr. argues that Bush and former Vice President Dick Cheney staffed MMS with industry-friendly cronies who created the "culture of ethical failure" cited by an inspector general report. Sen. Chris Dodd made a similar point to Don Imus on Tuesday: "To lay this at Obama's doorstep, in light of years and years of regulatory permissiveness when it comes to these kinds of operations occurring, it didn't occur in the last year and a half."

Congress: If members of Congress really wanted to prevent spills, they could have written legislation that required more safeguards (for example, the acoustic switch). They could have demanded better oversight by regulatory agencies. And of course they could have de-emphasized offshore drilling, which has boomed in the last decade. Congress also created the $75 million liability cap that's now causing headaches as part of a compromise after the Exxon Valdez spill. The might have considered the repercussions then instead of now.
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Old 06-12-2010, 09:51 AM
 
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Ah ha they know the left will loose in Nov. give the bucks to the victors...makes perfect sense to me
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Old 06-12-2010, 09:53 AM
 
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^ wow! simetime, that post should be a sticky
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Old 06-12-2010, 10:00 AM
 
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Well thank you for the information. I am glad that you have educated me regarding the involvement of Haliburton in the cementing process. Did you read the article?

Now tell me, as you are only capable of deflecting blame from Obama onto other entities (isn't it rich that the left has thier ancient enemy- Haliburton- to blame now? I'll bet they are just dancing in the streets. Too bad people in the gulf are not)

Let's see, kindergarten is in session again-

1. Five weeks before a response from Obama
2. The rig is in federal waters, which falls under the jurisdiction of the feds
3. The rig passed federal inspections, which is under Obama's administration
4. the department of minerals management under Obama accepted bribes from oil companies. Perhaps this impacted the lax inspections on the part of the government?
5. No oil skimmers deployed
6. No floating barricades to contain the oil
7. no attempt at a surface burn
8. refusal of oil skimmers from 21 other nations
9. no coastal berm plan requested of the army corps of engineers
10. refusal of berm construction by the states, pending "environmental impact studies"
11. No consultaion with the CEO of BP or experts in engineering to plan for capping and containment
12. Obama's "expert" was amazed and asked, "why is it still leaking?" when the cap was applied. This "expert" did not understand that baffles have to be slowly closed to evaluate pressure build up and ability of the cap to withstand the pressure.
13. Obama's excellent executive advise to his advisors, rather than convening experts and formulating a plan, was to shout ,"plug the damn hole".



Let's see if the voters in 2012 give Obama a pass on this one, as you have. Let me ask- is there ANYTHING that Obama has done (or could do) that you disagree with, or is EVERYTHING that he has done or will do just fine, as you are blinded by the love of the man, such that his actions do not matter? If hell has politicians, Barry will always have a job in the afterlife.
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Old 06-12-2010, 10:05 AM
 
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And what responsibility exactly does Halburton have in the BP spill?

I think the main blame for this spill are the resposibility of many entities


BP: As the lease-holder of the Deepwater Horizon oil rig, BP bears ultimate legal responsibility for the cleanup. It will also have to pay damages. But how much responsibility does it bear for the explosion itself? The argument for the buck stopping at BP's feet is that the company was in charge, so it should have demanded the strongest safety standards possible. For example, BP could have demanded an acoustic switch that shuts off the well when the rig is damaged—a safety measure that's required in Norway and Brazil. Aggravating this narrative is BP's history of preventable disasters, including an explosion at a Texas refinery in 2005 and a leaky pipeline in Alaska in 2006. The Obama administration has also criticized BP for failing to act quickly or efficiently enough to clean up the spill and has demanded that it use a more environmentally friendly chemical dispersant.

Transocean Ltd.: While BP leased the rig, Transocean owned and operated it—and was therefore responsible for the equipment functioning properly. If the explosion was caused by a failed blowout preventer—a valve that seals off the wellhead—then Transocean would have to answer for it. BP executives also point to Transocean's Emergency Response Manual, which says that Transocean is responsible for activities on the rig—and therefore accidents—and that BP was only there to "assist."

Halliburton: Halliburton's job was to cement the base of the well. So to the extent that a poor cement job contributed to the spill, blame Halliburton. Shoddy cementing is common on oil rigs, but Halliburton executives told the Senate recently that they were simply following BP's instructions. Indeed, it appears that BP may have skimped on testing the strength of the cement before ordering Halliburton to apply it.

Minerals Management Service: The federal agency in charge of regulating the oil and gas industry has been almost a parody of incompetence. It let industry officials fill out their own inspection sheets and then traced it over in pen, according to an inspector general's report. Inspectors accepted gifts, like tickets to sports events and pricey dinners, from oil companies. They watched porn on their work computers. (Perhaps they were simply researching the "junk shot.") In at least one case, an investigator may have conducted an inspection while tripping on meth. Not to mention the exemption from environmental impact analysis given to the Deepwater Horizon drilling operation in 2009. (When MMS did assess it in 2007, it estimated that any oil spill wouldn't exceed 1,500 barrels total. The current leak is at least 5,000 barrels a day.) The Obama administration has slammed MMS for its ethical lapses and announced plans to dissolve the agency and replace it with two separate entities—one for regulation and one for revenues.

George W. Bush: The Bush administration is to MMS as BP is to Transocean: It was in charge when oil industry regulation was relaxed, so the blame may fall to them. Environmental lawyer Robert F. Kennedy Jr. argues that Bush and former Vice President Dick Cheney staffed MMS with industry-friendly cronies who created the "culture of ethical failure" cited by an inspector general report. Sen. Chris Dodd made a similar point to Don Imus on Tuesday: "To lay this at Obama's doorstep, in light of years and years of regulatory permissiveness when it comes to these kinds of operations occurring, it didn't occur in the last year and a half."

Congress: If members of Congress really wanted to prevent spills, they could have written legislation that required more safeguards (for example, the acoustic switch). They could have demanded better oversight by regulatory agencies. And of course they could have de-emphasized offshore drilling, which has boomed in the last decade. Congress also created the $75 million liability cap that's now causing headaches as part of a compromise after the Exxon Valdez spill. The might have considered the repercussions then instead of now.


What a suprise!

Where is the POTUS (Obama) on that list? I see the former president of the US (Bush- the scapegoat for everything), but no Obama.

Are you serious?
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Old 06-12-2010, 10:06 AM
 
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Where is the POTUS (Obama) on that list?
"Sen. Chris Dodd made a similar point to Don Imus on Tuesday: 'To lay this at Obama's doorstep, in light of years and years of regulatory permissiveness when it comes to these kinds of operations occurring, it didn't occur in the last year and a half.'"

You know.... common sense.
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Old 06-12-2010, 10:07 AM
 
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"Sen. Chris Dodd made a similar point to Don Imus on Tuesday: 'To lay this at Obama's doorstep, in light of years and years of regulatory permissiveness when it comes to these kinds of operations occurring, it didn't occur in the last year and a half.'"

You know.... common sense.
Common knowledge.
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Old 06-12-2010, 10:12 AM
 
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"Sen. Chris Dodd made a similar point to Don Imus on Tuesday: 'To lay this at Obama's doorstep, in light of years and years of regulatory permissiveness when it comes to these kinds of operations occurring, it didn't occur in the last year and a half.'"

You know.... common sense.

That is hilarious. Chris Dodd? Well I guess Obama is just blameless for his incompetent management of the largest natural disaster in US history. Chris Dodd said so to Don Imus. Who has been president for the last year and half? If Obama wanted to change anything, he had the power to do so. Yet he did not. I guess he should probably go back to Harding administration and blame him for the expansion of oil drilling everywhere in the US. It "makes sense".

I wonder what the rest of the nation (excluding you and Chris Dodd) think?
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Old 06-12-2010, 10:15 AM
 
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I'm a registered Republican. WHERE MY FRIGGING PAY OFF!!!!
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Old 06-12-2010, 10:15 AM
 
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"Sen. Chris Dodd made a similar point to Don Imus on Tuesday: 'To lay this at Obama's doorstep, in light of years and years of regulatory permissiveness when it comes to these kinds of operations occurring, it didn't occur in the last year and a half.'"

You know.... common sense.
Sounds kinda like 9/11.
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