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Old 06-14-2010, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Yep. It's part of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights as well as declared a basic human right in the EU's constitution. In fact every 1st world country but the US declares access to health care a basic right.
So who does not have access to health care in America?
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Old 06-14-2010, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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The RW just does not get it. Exorbitant health care costs in this country are due to linked monopolies in the education, insurance and hospital markets keeping prices very much higher than the free market clearing prices. the entire system had to be changed so health care is provided for everyone at cost. Not cost + monopoly profit.
You left out the ambulance chasing lawyers.
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Old 06-14-2010, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Good. If you don't work, you have no value.
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Old 06-14-2010, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Good. If you don't work, you have no value.
I disagree.

A person works all of their life and is able to retire. In retirement, they create jobs - those taking care of their homes. Those who fix their RV's. Those who medically care for them. And so on.

Far from "having no value", those who do not work have much value.
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Old 06-14-2010, 10:39 AM
 
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SS would still work fine if we stopped putting the money in the national treasury and whining when it ran out. This coming year there won't be enough to take care of all the recipients but after this year we will get back to the time when there is a "surplus" each year. Take the politicians fingers out of that surplus and you will see the "fund" building up as it should have for the past 50+ years. Right now the United States Treasury owes the Social Security fund over $3 trillion. That doesn't sound like the system is broken but like the national treasury is more empty than politicians want us to know.

Social Security had enough money until the government raided the fund, probably to pay for the war in Iraq.
Oh that's right...we borrowed money from China to pay for that war. Hmmmm.....
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Old 06-14-2010, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Working in healthcare for many, many years, I have long feared this would happen. Medicare reimbursements to providers has been cut by 21.3% across the board. Unless changes are made, fewer and fewer doctors will treat our senior citizens.

President Obama Calls on Congress to Act Quickly to Stop Medicare Cut - AMA

Before any of you liberals start bashing me, be forewarned that I'm a HUGE proponent of universal healthcare to be paid by the wall st. speculators. Healthcare is a right and it should be free for Main St.
yep and we feel it everytime we go to the doctors. We are paying more for meds, for lab work, for Xrays, for everything. The only thing we have not been hit with yet is higher office visits because our insurance has a contract for that running on a yearly basis..

Nita
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Old 06-14-2010, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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It sure is going to be culled if the likes of Sharron Angle (US Senate Primary Candidate R-NEV) gets their way. She has publicly stated - in her campaign - she would like to see Social Security and Medicare phased out in favor of something privatized.
phased out slowly, not discontinued abruptly!!! This will happen eventually but will take maybe 50 years or at least 25. and I don't think it is a bad idea..

Nita
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Old 06-14-2010, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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The federal government, of course, with money taken from the tax payers.
I was talking with my heart doctor today who is just months from being 65 at which time he gets to go on Medicare. He said that he didn't know many people who want to go to school for 8 years and then 4 years of the most rigorous training I can imagine just to get a job in which bureaucrats tell him what tests he can run, what drugs he can prescribe, and all the other things the Medicare bureaucrats will soon be doing.

Hey, he mentioned that tomorrow is the day that the Medicare cuts go into effect. You know those that the lib posters here keep saying the Democrats have tried so hard to do away with and the GOP won't let them get by with. I thought it was only Democrats that voted in the Senate for Obamacare and THEY talk this way.
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Old 06-14-2010, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Yep. It's part of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights as well as declared a basic human right in the EU's constitution. In fact every 1st world country but the US declares access to health care a basic right.
Which of those two groups is mentioned in the Constitution of the United States? Maybe in the eyes of progressives who view the Constitution as a living document to be changed to fit what they want, but not in the document.

We have not given our sovereignty to the UN, yet, although Obama and the people who elected him are trying to do just that.
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Old 06-14-2010, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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The Founding documents of the UN like the Universal Declaration of Rights were submitted to the US Congress i.e the Senate and ratified more than 50 years ago. They have the force of US law.
Federal law is supreme law in the US but the Supreme Court has said that the Constitution is the supremest of the supreme and that makes it over anything the UN ever passes. Why are they trying so hard to do away with our right to keep and bear arms? Oh yes, that is the only reason they are trying to use a treaty to take away that right. Ask Hillary, under oath, if that is not what she and the UN are trying so hard to do.
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