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Old 06-14-2010, 07:57 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Visvaldis View Post
In general religion is a tumor that has mutilated the human race.

No NOT the religion the people that mutilate how it is practiced.

 
Old 06-14-2010, 07:57 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Not every liberal but most on here do hate Christianity.
LOL!
 
Old 06-14-2010, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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I guess we're ignoring the fact that there are Christian liberals out there.
 
Old 06-14-2010, 07:59 AM
 
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LOL!

LOL all you want. All you have to do is read the religions threads and you will see that it is true.


You are fairly new here. Go back and read.
 
Old 06-14-2010, 08:01 AM
 
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I guess we're ignoring the fact that there are Christian liberals out there.

You are correct. The title of the thread is misleading.
 
Old 06-14-2010, 08:19 AM
 
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Liberals confuse "separation of church and state" with "elmination of God from the state".

The separation of church and state is directed toward the church influencing political decisions and participating in government. The left has perverted this wise decision by the founding fathers as a justification to remove ANY REFERENCE TO GOD from ANY PUBLIC VENUE. This is liberal insanity at work and has resulted in completely ridiculous measures to remove any reference to God from money, public buildings, or government entities.
Lemon Test. Religion doesn't belong in government venue as it fails this test repeatedly.

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Witness the liberal insanity-

1. wanting to remove "In God We Trust" from money
Originally added to the coin during the 1860's as a "re-Christianizing" of the United States. Added to paper currency in the 1950's in order to fight ideologically against the "godless communists." In God We Trust usurped the previous motto (and better one) E Pluribus Unum. Lemon Test passed as previous motto was not official, but de facto. In God We Trust serves as the official U.S. motto (fulfilling a "secular purpose" as defined by the Lemon Test) as of the 1950's.

So. you're wrong part 1.
U.S. Treasury - Fact Sheet on the History of"In God We Trust"

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2. Removal of the ten commandments from any courthouse
No laws in the United States are based on the ten commandments. The courthouse and subsequent lawsuit you are referring to failed the Lemon test.

Second, the swing-vote of that case was O'Conner, a conservative Justice.

Flying Spaghetti Monster takes up residence at county courthouse » Area News » Crossville Chronicle, Crossville, TN

You'll note that this courthouse has a variety of religion symbols as it fulfills the 1st amendment's establishment clause. It does not prevent the free-exercise of religion nor establish any religion.

So, this you're wrong #2.

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3. removal of memorial crosses from any public areas
The Mojave Cross was widely disputed because it involved government transfer of property to a private organization for religious purposes. It directly violated the 1st amendment. To note, the ACLU (those liberal scumbags) are the ones that fought and won the case to preserve the crosses at Arlington Cemetary.
http://www.aclu.org/images/asset_upl...e399_26244.pdf

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4. removal of any Christmas decorations from public buildings or schools
Read: Lemon Test. Read: Establishment of Religion.

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This is nuts. It is a far cry from the Pope intervening on the part of the operations of the US government (this is what the founding fathers wanted to avoid).
The founding fathers knew the importance of secularism--even 250 years ago. They deliberately set up a government that was not influenced by religion because of previous protestant persecution in Europe. This government never has nor never was a Christian government.

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Gain some common sense. There is not, nor has there ever been, a religion or relgious group that has gained control of the government.
Many disagree.
Rise of the Religious Right in the Republican Party
Texas Textbook MASSACRE: 'Ultraconservatives' Approve Radical Changes To State Education Curriculum

There is a continued assault on secularism intentionally devised by the founding fathers since the creation of the United States. Protestants want this to be their country--and the history overwhelmingly shows this.

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There has, on the other hand, been an attack on Christianity
Criticism of religion is not an "attack." Following the law is not an "attack."

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by the lunatic left
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using the fear of a theocracy
Would you like a list of conservative theocracies?

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as thier justification. Amazing. Again- liberalism is a mental disorder.
Ad Hom. and [citation needed]
 
Old 06-14-2010, 08:30 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Konraden View Post
Lemon Test. Religion doesn't belong in government venue as it fails this test repeatedly.



Originally added to the coin during the 1860's as a "re-Christianizing" of the United States. Added to paper currency in the 1950's in order to fight ideologically against the "godless communists." In God We Trust usurped the previous motto (and better one) E Pluribus Unum. Lemon Test passed as previous motto was not official, but de facto. In God We Trust serves as the official U.S. motto (fulfilling a "secular purpose" as defined by the Lemon Test) as of the 1950's.

So. you're wrong part 1.
U.S. Treasury - Fact Sheet on the History of"In God We Trust"



No laws in the United States are based on the ten commandments. The courthouse and subsequent lawsuit you are referring to failed the Lemon test.

Second, the swing-vote of that case was O'Conner, a conservative Justice.

Flying Spaghetti Monster takes up residence at county courthouse » Area News » Crossville Chronicle, Crossville, TN

You'll note that this courthouse has a variety of religion symbols as it fulfills the 1st amendment's establishment clause. It does not prevent the free-exercise of religion nor establish any religion.

So, this you're wrong #2.



The Mojave Cross was widely disputed because it involved government transfer of property to a private organization for religious purposes. It directly violated the 1st amendment. To note, the ACLU (those liberal scumbags) are the ones that fought and won the case to preserve the crosses at Arlington Cemetary.
http://www.aclu.org/images/asset_upload_file399_26244.pdf



Read: Lemon Test. Read: Establishment of Religion.



The founding fathers knew the importance of secularism--even 250 years ago. They deliberately set up a government that was not influenced by religion because of previous protestant persecution in Europe. This government never has nor never was a Christian government.



Many disagree.
Rise of the Religious Right in the Republican Party
Texas Textbook MASSACRE: 'Ultraconservatives' Approve Radical Changes To State Education Curriculum

There is a continued assault on secularism intentionally devised by the founding fathers since the creation of the United States. Protestants want this to be their country--and the history overwhelmingly shows this.



Criticism of religion is not an "attack." Following the law is not an "attack."



Ad Hom



Would you like a list of conservative theocracies?



Ad Hom. and [citation needed]

I read every single word you wrote, browsed every single link, and I come away thinking that you entirely missed the point. ENTIRELY.

The poster was not attempting to assert legal justification, or lack thereof, for the stated issues, but that liberals/atheists have engaged in a concerted effort over the years to seek remedy for the issues that they find too close to government-sanctioned religion.

This is not deniable. Plenty of court cases have been lodged to this effect.

All you've accomplished here is providing a little history lesson. Unfortunately, that history lesson does not negate said attempts by liberals/atheists to abscond the US of anything "Godly."
 
Old 06-14-2010, 08:34 AM
 
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You are correct. The title of the thread is misleading.
No, it is a blatant lie.

And ONLY repug/neocons would be "mislead"...
 
Old 06-14-2010, 08:42 AM
 
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I do think it is wrong to single out liberals but on here it does seem to be the case. Not every liberal but most on here do hate Christianity."""""


Please use some facts. Got stats on "most"? No, I didn't think so. Got PROOF of "hate"? NO, I didn't think so.





"""They will claim it is because of this reason or that reason but it is just pure hate."""



And you prove that how????


You can't...just more blather. YOU are always so close to "hate" that it's the only answer YOU can think of.....such a shame...



"" They fear that us Christians will some how take over the world. It is difficult to accept that this country WAS founded by Christian men and woman and that is a FACT. Many don't want to accept that.

I recently watched a series called John Adams it is about how the USA was founded and broke away from Britain. It is a great series and tells a lot about how the men and woman of the time the US found their Independence felt about God. Truly a great watch.
How the people who founded this country felt about god or anything else does NOT mean you christians can shove your religion down everyone's throat. Maybe if you backed off and just worshipped your god in a dignified , quiet, non-offensive way you wouldn't get picked on so much....oh, and you could try LIVING your religion instead of just slamming other beliefs....try THAT for a change!


This is NOT a christian nation....it is a FREE nation.
 
Old 06-14-2010, 08:47 AM
 
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No, it is a blatant lie.

And ONLY repug/neocons would be "mislead"...

LMAO!!! yes and only reps can be mislead.
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