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Just curious - what was not truthful in his post? Just read some of Thomas Jefferson's rants against Christianity or his rewritten Bible or George Washington's and Ben Franklin's writings for that matter.
Certainly put faith in a higher power, that that is far from ascribing to Christianity.
Have you ever read anything that any of the founders have written, or are you just repeating what someone else has said they have written? I suspect the latter.
Do your own research. You have a bad habit of making a fool of yourself on here. I couldn't care less. When someone is making a fool of themself, it is best to let them do it. But consider the following, which is only a short list (these make both you and the OP look pretty silly):
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Samuel Adams Father of the American Revolution, Signer of the Declaration of Independence
I . . . recommend my Soul to that Almighty Being who gave it, and my body I commit to the dust, relying upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins.
Will of Samuel Adams
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John Witherspoon Signer of the Declaration of Independence
I entreat you in the most earnest manner to believe in Jesus Christ, for there is no salvation in any other [Acts 4:12]. . . . f you are not reconciled to God through Jesus Christ, if you are not clothed with the spotless robe of His righteousness, you must forever perish.
John Witherspoon, The Works of John Witherspoon (Edinburgh: J. Ogle, 1815), Vol. V, pp. 276, 278, The Absolute Necessity of Salvation Through Christ, January 2, 1758.
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Richard Stockton Signer of the Declaration of Independence
I think it proper here not only to subscribe to the entire belief of the great and leading doctrines of the Christian religion, such as the Being of God, the universal defection and depravity of human nature, the divinity of the person and the completeness of the redemption purchased by the blessed Savior, the necessity of the operations of the Divine Spirit, of Divine Faith, accompanied with an habitual virtuous life, and the universality of the divine Providence, but also . . . that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom; that the way of life held up in the Christian system is calculated for the most complete happiness that can be enjoyed in this mortal state; that all occasions of vice and immorality is injurious either immediately or consequentially, even in this life; that as Almighty God hath not been pleased in the Holy Scriptures to prescribe any precise mode in which He is to be publicly worshiped, all contention about it generally arises from want of knowledge or want of virtue.
Will of Richard Stockton
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RogerSherman Signer of the Declaration of Independence,Signer of the Constitution
I believe that there is one only living and true God, existing in three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. . . . that the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are a revelation from God. . . . that God did send His own Son to become man, die in the room and stead of sinners, and thus to lay a foundation for the offer of pardon and salvation to all mankind so as all may be saved who are willing to accept the Gospel offer.
Lewis Henry Boutell, The Life of Roger Sherman (Chicago: A. C. McClurg and Company, 1896), pp. 272-273
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Benjamin Rush Signer of the Declaration of Independence
My only hope of salvation is in the infinite, transcendent love of God manifested to the world by the death of His Son upon the cross. Nothing but His blood will wash away my sins. I rely exclusively upon it. Come, Lord Jesus! Come quickly!
Benjamin Rush, The Autobiography of Benjamin Rush, George Corner, editor (Princeton: Princeton University Press for the American Philosophical Society, 1948), p. 166, Travels Through Life, An Account of Sundry Incidents & Events in the Life of Benjamin Rush.
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Rufus Putnam Revolutionary War General, First Surveyor General of the United States
[F]irst, I give my soul to a holy, sovereign God Who gave it in humble hope of a blessed immortality through the atonement and righteousness of Jesus Christ and the sanctifying grace of the Holy Spirit. My body I commit to the earth to be buried in a decent Christian manner. I fully believe that this body shall, by the mighty power of God, be raised to life at the last day; 'for this corruptable (sic) must put on incorruption and this mortal must put on immortality.' [I Corinthians 15:53]
Will of Rufus Putnam
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Charles Cotesworth Pinckney Signer of the Constitution
To the eternal, immutable, and only true God be all honor and glory, now and forever, Amen!. . .
Will of Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
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Robert Treat Paine Signer of the Declaration of Independence
I desire to bless and praise the name of God most high for appointing me my birth in a land of Gospel Light where the glorious tidings of a Savior and of pardon and salvation through Him have been continually sounding in mine ears.
Robert Treat Paine, The Papers of Robert Treat Paine, Stephen Riley and Edward Hanson, editors (Boston: Massachusetts Historical Society, 1992), Vol. I, p. 48, March/April, 1749.
[W]hen I consider that this instrument contemplates my departure from this life and all earthly enjoyments and my entrance on another state of existence, I am constrained to express my adoration of the Supreme Being, the Author of my existence, in full belief of his providential goodness and his forgiving mercy revealed to the world through Jesus Christ, through whom I hope for never ending happiness in a future state, acknowledging with grateful remembrance the happiness I have enjoyed in my passage through a long life. . .
Will of Robert Treat Paine
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John Morton Signer of the Declaration of Independence
With an awful reverence to the great Almighty God, Creator of all mankind, I, John Morton . . . being sick and weak in body but of sound mind and memory-thanks be given to Almighty God for the same, for all His mercies and favors-and considering the certainty of death and the uncertainty of the times thereof, do, for the settling of such temporal estate as it hath pleased God to bless me with in this life . . .
Will of John Morton
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John Langdon Signer of the Constitution
In the name of God, Amen. I, John Langdon, . . . considering the uncertainty of life and that it is appointed unto all men once to die [Hebrews 9:27], do make, ordain and publish this my last will and testament in manner following, that is to say-First: I commend my soul to the infinite mercies of God in Christ Jesus, the beloved Son of the Father, who died and rose again that He might be the Lord of the dead and of the living . . . professing to believe and hope in the joyful Scripture doctrine of a resurrection to eternal life . . .
Will of John Langdon
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Henry Knox Revolutionary War General, Secretary of War
First, I think it proper to express my unshaken opinion of the immortality of my soul or mind; and to dedicate and devote the same to the supreme head of the Universe – to that great and tremendous Jehovah, – Who created the universal frame of nature, worlds, and systems in number infinite . . . To this awfully sublime Being do I resign my spirit with unlimited confidence of His mercy and protection . . .
Will of Henry Knox
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Daniel St. Thomas Jenifer Signer of the Constitution
In the name of God, Amen. I, Daniel of Saint Thomas Jenifer . . . of dispossing mind and memory, commend my soul to my blessed Redeemer. . .
Will of Daniel St. Thomas Jenifer
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John Jay First Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court
Unto Him who is the author and giver of all good, I render sincere and humble thanks for His manifold and unmerited blessings, and especially for our redemption and salvation by His beloved son. He has been pleased to bless me with excellent parents, with a virtuous wife, and with worthy children. His protection has companied me through many eventful years, faithfully employed in the service of my country; His providence has not only conducted me to this tranquil situation but also given me abundant reason to be contented and thankful. Blessed be His holy name!
Will of John Jay
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John Hancock
Signer of the Declaration of Independence
I John Hancock, . . . being advanced in years and being of perfect mind and memory-thanks be given to God-therefore calling to mind the mortality of my body and knowing it is appointed for all men once to die [Hebrews 9:27], do make and ordain this my last will and testament…Principally and first of all, I give and recommend my soul into the hands of God that gave it: and my body I recommend to the earth . . . nothing doubting but at the general resurrection I shall receive the same again by the mercy and power of God. . .
Will of John Hancock
Amazing what you can find when you do some research! Sure looks like they were Christians to me!
I don't have a case to prove. The words of the Founding Father's themselves are screaming right in your ear, you just choose to ignore them in order to further your leftist agenda.
You have to remember that these people cant' read. They read words. They don't comprehend.
They have never been taught how to think. They cannot think on their own.
Th espousal of Christianity in recognition of the utility of its teachings is not the same thing as adopting it as your personal faith.
I pose a challenge to anyone who can offer a quote from a primary source of founding fathers George Washington, Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, or Thomas Paine actually claiming to be Christian.
What are you, lazy? The evidence is out there. Why don't you do the research? Others have.
Get off your butt and study. If you won't do that, you really don't want to know. Your happy just wallowing in ignorance and bashing Christians. That's really where your heart is. Admit it.
For myself, I fully and conscientiously believe, that it is the will of the Almighty, that there should be diversity of religious opinions among us: It affords a larger field for our Christian kindness. Were we all of one way of thinking, our religious dispositions would want matter for probation; and on this liberal principle, I look on the various denominations among us, to be like children of the same family, differing only, in what is called, their Christian names.
Common Sense
Thomas Paine
1776
Of the Present Ability of America, with Some Miscellaneous Reflexions - Historic Documents - PatriotPost.US (http://patriotpost.us/document/common-sense/part-iv/ - broken link)
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Of the Present Ability of America, with Some Miscellaneous Reflexions - Historic Documents - PatriotPost.US (http://patriotpost.us/document/common-sense/part-iv/ - broken link)
It's a 200 word freaking book on why he's not a Christian
The density of some of you approaches black holes. Thomas Paine is probably the closest to an Atheist that you'll find in the founding fathers and yet he still refers to "our Christian kindness"... Not that you'd understand what he means by "our".... Yeah, I've read it all. I also understand where the founding fathers came from and thier history, do you? It appears that you don't, at all.
The density of some of you approaches black holes. Thomas Paine is probably the closest to an Atheist that you'll find in the founding fathers and yet he still refers to "our Christian kindness"... Not that you'd understand what he means by "our".... Yeah, I've read it all. I also understand where the founding fathers came from and thier history, do you? It appears that you don't, at all.
1. Common Sense predates Age of Reason by at least 15 years. Probably closer to 20. Think he could have changed his mind?
2. Clearly you haven't read it, cause if you did you would notice the large section devoted to pointing out the numerous inconsistencies and fallacies in the Bible.
3. There were founding fathers that were Christian ya know...
1. Common Sense predates Age of Reason by at least 15 years. Probably closer to 20. Think he could have changed his mind?
2. Clearly you haven't read it, cause if you did you would notice the large section devoted to pointing out the numerous inconsistencies and fallacies in the Bible.
3. There were founding fathers that were Christian ya know...
Okay, you surpass black holes in your incompetent density... Rejoice in your ignorance of history as you clearly have no clue. No surprises though.
I think you missed what he predicated in the "Age of Reason" in his first paragraphs. In that he espouses the establishment and what religion in that time frame meant.
Those thoughts are exactly what I refer to when I say an understanding of religion in that time period is crucial. It's not the same thought processes of today. No witch burning...
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