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View Poll Results: Should procreation be subsidized?
Yes, we DEFINITELY should subsidize procreation! 5 11.11%
Yes, it's fine how we have it now. 5 11.11%
No opinion 1 2.22%
No, generally not. 10 22.22%
No, there are too many people, and we should not subsidize adding more in any way. We should get rid of tax credits for dependents. 24 53.33%
Voters: 45. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-16-2010, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Duluth, Minnesota, USA
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Procreation is currently subsidized in the United States, and to a much greater extent in some European countries. In the U.S., this is primarily by tax credits for dependents, who are usually children, but also in some lesser-known ways, e.g. the WIC (Womens, Infants, and Children) program, which, as of last count, nearly half of newborns in the U.S. were on. Some European countries - whose fertility rates have fallen far below that of the U.S. - promote it even more, to the point of monthly government payments to all (or most) parents (not just those on welfare!).

I think it should continue to be subsidized, perhaps even more so, due to our below-replacement (2.06) fertility rate. This is because children are a social good of paramount importance: they provide labor, which supports the retired elderly, they are our future inventors, scientists, and artists, and they stimulate the economy. Educated people tend to have smaller families (which they start later) than the uneducated, and I think special incentives should be set up to promote childbearing among them, such as student loan forgiveness, etc.

Your thoughts on the matter?
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Old 06-16-2010, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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No. We don't need another welfare program.
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Old 06-16-2010, 06:53 PM
 
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Generally not. Though I disagree it's subsidized more here than in Europe. In Europe the government enforces paid vacations for new mothers & even new fathers in some cases, and pays for day care.

However, they have demographic problems that we do not have.

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Old 06-16-2010, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Holly Neighborhood, Austin, Texas
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Procreation is currently subsidized in the United States, and to a much greater extent in some European countries. In the U.S., this is primarily by tax credits for dependents, who are usually children, but also in some lesser-known ways, e.g. the WIC (Womens, Infants, and Children) program, which, as of last count, nearly half of newborns in the U.S. were on. Some European countries - whose fertility rates have fallen far below that of the U.S. - promote it even more, to the point of monthly government payments to all (or most) parents (not just those on welfare!).

I think it should continue to be subsidized, perhaps even more so, due to our below-replacement (2.06) fertility rate. This is because children are a social good of paramount importance: they provide labor, which supports the retired elderly, they are our future inventors, scientists, and artists, and they stimulate the economy. Educated people tend to have smaller families (which they start later) than the uneducated, and I think special incentives should be set up to promote childbearing among them, such as student loan forgiveness, etc.

Your thoughts on the matter?
Wait the US population in '06 was 300 million and now it is 309. How did you get our declining birth rate? I think you don't include in-migration which may cause the pop increase rather than it coming from those already here.
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Old 06-16-2010, 07:04 PM
 
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Australia subsidises procreation, with the "baby bonus". Originally it was $3000 per birth, regardless of income - at the moment I believe it is $5000 and paid in installments.

The fertility rates at 2004 were 1.76. Today: around 1.97

it seems to have worked here - where it was getting quite low..
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Old 06-16-2010, 07:05 PM
 
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It depends. I would subsidize procreation for adults who are engineers and scientists.

I would sterilize those who are thugs, gang bangers, murderers, and rapists.
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Old 06-16-2010, 07:12 PM
 
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It depends. I would subsidize procreation for adults who are engineers and scientists.

I would sterilize those who are thugs, gang bangers, murderers, and rapists.
Now here's an idea with merit.

However, NO subsidies for anchor babies. (They already get enough in freebies.)
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Old 06-16-2010, 07:12 PM
 
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Now here's an idea with merit.

However, NO subsidies for anchor babies. (They already get enough in freebies.)
Yes, eugenics is an idea with merit.
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Old 06-16-2010, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Duluth, Minnesota, USA
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Generally not. Though I disagree it's subsidized more here than in Europe. In Europe the government enforces paid vacations for new mothers & even new fathers in some cases, and pays for day care.

However, they have demographic problems that we do not have.
You didn't read right. I said (some countries in) Europe have more subsidies for childbearing than the United States.
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Old 06-16-2010, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Procreation is currently subsidized in the United States, and to a much greater extent in some European countries.
...and those countries are showing a negative birth rate, except for the Muslim immigrants.

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In the U.S., this is primarily by tax credits for dependents, who are usually children, but also in some lesser-known ways, e.g. the WIC (Womens, Infants, and Children) program, which, as of last count, nearly half of newborns in the U.S. were on. Some European countries - whose fertility rates have fallen far below that of the U.S. - promote it even more, to the point of monthly government payments to all (or most) parents (not just those on welfare!).

I think it should continue to be subsidized, perhaps even more so, due to our below-replacement (2.06) fertility rate. This is because children are a social good of paramount importance: they provide labor, which supports the retired elderly, they are our future inventors, scientists, and artists, and they stimulate the economy. Educated people tend to have smaller families (which they start later) than the uneducated, and I think special incentives should be set up to promote childbearing among them, such as student loan forgiveness, etc.

Your thoughts on the matter?
Any good society realizes that its very future depends upon the education, morals, ethics and ingenuity of the next generation of children born to their citizens. So they promote, endorse and encourage their children to marry and raise intelligent, well educated and well adjusted, caring and industrious children. Government is only a reflection of that same society, so it should not be a surprise when a society wants their government to be a reflection of themselves.
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