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Her own personal doctor's opinion doesn't mean squat to the pvt. insurance companies. What part of "no rejection for pre-existing conditions" don't you understand?
Your little geography reference is inappropriate.
Kat, I don't remember, are you old enough for Medicare? I got sick once again today when I saw what they paid for some diagnostic tests on me recently. I will be plugged up with fats soon and they won't allow any money. It is not what they pay but the amounts that they allow to be paid by them and by my insurance company. It makes me sick every time I get a quarterly report from that bureaucratic bunch about amounts they allow and will pay. Not a doctor or hospital administrator in the bunch but they determine what can be paid.
It scares the hell out of me to know that they spent all that money on me just over 5 years ago for the 6 bypass surgery and are now going to let me die because of the way they are run. The bad part is that all of our people will be subjected to bureaucrats just as I have been the past 12 years.
hey the repugs got what they wanted in the bill, and now everyone is gonna pay for it
Not everyone..Congress exempted themselves and they made a deal with the unions as well.
I didn't realize it was the Republicans that got this bill passed.
I could have sworn that Congress is majority Democrat and the President who signed the bill is a Democrat too. The Dems who hold a majority made deals left, right and center to get the votes.
So don't go blaming the Republicans for the dirty work of the Democrats..especially Pelosi.
Yes, it's my opinion. You think there's a beach in Kansas, get your surfborad and head for Topeka.
No, no, no Kat. The beaches in Kansas are all on large lakes and Topeka doesn't have one of those things. I know what you were attempting to do and am so glad I managed to be around to help you out on your geographic mistake.
I wanted a single-payer government medical care system just like the National Health Service plan in the United Kingdom. Affordable Health Care for ALL Americans.
Obama sold out the American people to the wealthy private insurance and pharmaceutical mega-corporations.
Not everyone..Congress exempted themselves and they made a deal with the unions as well.
I didn't realize it was the Republicans that got this bill passed.
I could have sworn that Congress is majority Democrat and the President who signed the bill is a Democrat too. The Dems who hold a majority made deals left, right and center to get the votes.
So don't go blaming the Republicans for the dirty work of the Democrats..especially Pelosi.
Maybe fishy doesn't understand that only Dems voted for this thing in the Senate or it wouldn't have passed. Maybe fishy doesn't know that all the really terrible bills had no Republicans other than three RINOs voting with the Dems.
What was it that they wanted that they got? Maybe I should ask the fishy one.
I wanted a single-payer government medical care system just like the National Health Service plan in the United Kingdom. Affordable Health Care for ALL Americans.
Obama sold out the American people to the wealthy private insurance and pharmaceutical mega-corporations.
I guess you don't understand that single payer will result in control from the ground up for health care controlled by those cruds in DC. Now think of all the changes they will have to have if a Republican gets elected again. Are you one of those who think that Obama will be the President for Life like some libs want to see? If so I am wasting my time talking with you about that.
No, no, no Kat. The beaches in Kansas are all on large lakes and Topeka doesn't have one of those things. I know what you were attempting to do and am so glad I managed to be around to help you out on your geographic mistake.
How funny!
I tried to see if she might know of anyone interested in some oceanview property in Kansas.
I was told to go surf Topeka's HUGE waves!
I've never been to told to get lost......in such a kind way, I might add.
The thing that infuriates me to tears is that all of us get dragged to hell together. I wouldn't care if it were just the delusional supporters of this Health Care Slavery Law holding hands, singing Kumbaya, and burning themselves at the stake. But no, they want to burn me and everyone else right along with them.
I will not participate in this fascio-capitalism, which is in my estimation worse than both socialism and communism. Put me in jail. And I would think that the socialist element in this country would be just as pissed as I am. Where are their protests? Did they suddenly turn capitalist? They should be able to see this law for what it is just as clearly as I can. It is just as much a kick in the crotch to their socialist ideals as it is to my personal liberty ideals. No one wins with this law, save the insurance companies that you will have become enslaved to and a government that is about as compassionate Ebenezer Scrooge.
I wanted a single-payer government medical care system just like the National Health Service plan in the United Kingdom. Affordable Health Care for ALL Americans.
Obama sold out the American people to the wealthy private insurance and pharmaceutical mega-corporations.
If you want that crap move to Massachusetts. Oh their system is broke and dysfunctional.
Kat, I don't remember, are you old enough for Medicare? I got sick once again today when I saw what they paid for some diagnostic tests on me recently. I will be plugged up with fats soon and they won't allow any money. It is not what they pay but the amounts that they allow to be paid by them and by my insurance company. It makes me sick every time I get a quarterly report from that bureaucratic bunch about amounts they allow and will pay. Not a doctor or hospital administrator in the bunch but they determine what can be paid.
It scares the hell out of me to know that they spent all that money on me just over 5 years ago for the 6 bypass surgery and are now going to let me die because of the way they are run. The bad part is that all of our people will be subjected to bureaucrats just as I have been the past 12 years.
Private insurance companies either have their own network or they pay a company to provide a network and it's services to them for their policyholders to use. There are a lot of networks....some are only in certain states or regions, while others are bigger and often in every state. One of the services a network does, is negotiate what the discount will be with providers in a given area, from year to year by contract. Since there are many, any one network can't just dictate what they will allow to be paid....otherwise the providers won't work with them any more and instead work with all their competitors that are in the same business of providing a network for insurance companies to use. As a result they all pretty much agree to the same discount in a give area and that's on average 35-40 percent. Some discounts on certain services may be higher or lower than others....some may be bundled together with another service but, on average you can use that figure for the comparison I'm about to make.
Now with Medicare, there's only one provider, the gov't.....I understand you have supplemental coverage through a private carrier but, depending on the plan you choose, they just cover some or all of the stuff that didn't get paid by Medicare, up until the amount Medicare dictates will be allowed. That's the point, Medicare doesn't have to negotiate like the private networks have to with providers......they have no competition...they're in a way a monoply so, they dictate, not negotiate. Providers can either take it or not....in the past they always have even though they made a lot less than they do from private carriers. The discount on average is about 75-80 percent now and has made some providers get to the point where they're willing to leave it.....not take it any more....not accept Medicare at all. Most are actually losing money from what they get from Medicare or at least close to it but, the private insurers make up for it and allows the providers to continue accepting seniors....they don't want to get the point of having to turn them away. Part of the reason they're in the profession they're in, is to help people. They can only help people though if they can afford to....just like any other business, except the gov't, they can't operate in the red.
They plan to continue increasing the discount andpay providers less than what they already do. Actually they have to do it annually, they put it in law and have been postponing each year but, it's still been adding up and now it has to be applied all at once at some point in the future. It's suppose to be 20 percent and then another 21 after that in the following year....I think. That will push it to the point where providers just won't accept it or go out of business if the gov't tells them they must.....they can't be forced to lose money.
They've gotten away with being able to dictate in the past because privare carriers can't and have been helping make up the difference. If the gov't has a plan and competes with the private carriers though, they'll put them out of business for sure.....and there will be no one to make up the difference. If that were to happen, there would be a massive decrease in the amount of people that would be chosing to work in the health care industry and the gov't will have to do a complete reverse of their usual pattern of paying less....and quickly too or there will be serious drought of providers for a yet to bedetermined period of time.
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