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Nine O'Clock
"Hospital management will be transferred to local public administrations owning the buildings.
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Although the healthcare system in Romania is in collapse, there are Healthcare Ministry employees who make twice as much as the minister himself."
Greece healthcare is collapsing.
Greek Hospitals Near Meltdown As Government Can't Pay For Supplies
"Greece owes €5.2 billion ($6.4 billion) to hospital suppliers. Until they come up with the money, pharmaceutical and medical equipment companies are supplying only basic supplies, according to Kathimerini (http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_100002_15/06/2010_117689 - broken link). Doctors warn that patients will begin to die soon if the government does not resolve debtpayment with suppliers."
Greece and Romania?!??!!! Use a real country please. At least use a member of the G7. You can find real world examples of universal health coverage having problems without going to small countries that dont matter much in the long run. If costs keep rising ~15% a year, how long before noone but the real rich can afford any health insurance?
Do you like the perversities in the current US system such as:
a) My wife had a C section birth in 2005. I had insurance. The full bill was $20,000 which magically shrank to around $6,600 due to insurance contracts. Meanwhile some poor working SOB (remember the dirt poor get medicaid so exclude the couch potato class) making say $25K a year as best he can scrape gets a bill 3x mine. Do you all think this is a good thing?
b) I work with a guy on a PT job. His FT job had health insurance. Hes been with them for about a million years. Last year he spent 1 month in the hospital (for some kind of gut problem) and came out $800K in debt because his insurance had a $1MM limit. He went from Mr Middle class Engineer to Mr Ruined in a month. To heck with Joe?
When I started at a company in 2007, they had 20% copay $2000/$4000 deductible insurance for ~$250 a month for a family. By 2009 they had 100% copay $4000/$8000 deductible health insurance for about the same money.
Obamacare only attacked supply and did very very little to attack COSTS which are MUCH more difficult to get at.
So, let me hit this one back.
How do you attack ****COSTS****
1) I hate Obamacare and I make $400K a year and dont give a rats bum if 30K a year Joe the mechanic lives his entire life in imminent danger of bankruptsy if his kid catches something even moderately complicated.
2) I have a plan to reduce COSTS and it is.... (hint reducing litigation would be less than 1 years growth). (I do favor a limit of say $250K UNLESS you can PROVE wanton stupidity. IE go in for a tonsilectomy and they neuter you.)
3) I am a super liberal and want "free" health care for all and want to tax Joe the rich guy 80% for all income over $100K which is rich in my mind.
4) Something else.
Another hint: If any of this was easy it would have been done LONG ago.
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