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Again, he believed in more than big government. He believed it was the responsibilities of GOVERNMENT to take care of the people.
do any of them believe the government is responsible to hold your hand and take care of you?
Neocons and many social conservatives do.
The idea of fusionism and "the conservative family" encompasssing social and economic conservatives, military conservatives, and later neocons in the US was invented by William F. Buckley. It was not inevitable, nor is its survival inevitable. The "conservative family" in America was falling apart in the later Bush years, and only Obama's presidency has given it a new lease on life although the tensions are still there. Next time a Republican president is elected, expect it to die.
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How many of them supported national healthcare for example?
Irving Kristol (in his book "Neoconservatism") and the Catholic Church, maybe Pat Buchanan?
I asked for examples, but even looking at your chart, I would agree Hitler is fascism, but so is the current Democratic administration. You just validated the fact that Hitler is more left than right.. Thanks
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Neocons and many social conservatives do.
Because a handful of wacked out conservatives believe in something, it doesnt blanket all of them.. Try again
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The idea of fusionism and "the conservative family" encompasssing social and economic conservatives, military conservatives, and later neocons in the US was invented by William F. Buckley. It was not inevitable, nor is its survival inevitable. The "conservative family" in America was falling apart in the later Bush years, and only Obama's presidency has given it a new lease on life although the tensions are still there. Next time a Republican president is elected, expect it to die.
Ahhh, more fortune telling from the left.. You guys said the whole Republican party was dead just 18 months ago.
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Irving Kristol (in his book "Neoconservatism") and the Catholic Church, maybe Pat Buchanan?
So you have to go to the extreme to pretend its the norm.. FAIL..
Ahhh, more fortune telling from the left.. You guys said the whole Republican party was dead just 18 months ago.
I didn't say that.
It's hard to kill off a major party in America. Hasn't happened since 1860.
I have no doubt there will be another Republican administration at some point in the future. And when that happens, the base will fall apart. The same thing is happening to the Dems right now. Under Bush, the Dems were more accepting of the differences within the Democratic Party, whereas now the Dem base is increasingly at each other's throats with a Dem in office. Some of these tensions existed even when Bush was president, but the other party holding power smoothed over these tensions. With a Dem administration, the GOP base has something to unite against, so "all is forgiven" for now. Unless you actually believe the GOP will never hold power again or not for decades- something I never believed for a second - then it is expected that once in power the "conservative family" will go their separate ways.
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So you have to go to the extreme to pretend its the norm.. FAIL..
Citing the Catholic Church is extreme? As for Kristol, he and his son both played major roles in recent GOP administrations, and he was a guru to the neocon wing of the GOP. I don't know where you've been if you don't think that the neocons have played an important role in the GOP since the '80s.
2 a : an authoritative rule dealing with details or procedure <safety regulations> b : a rule or order issued by an executive authority or regulatory agency of a government and having the force of law
you referred to sports, which indeed rules = limits, but the definition you posted, validates that regulation = control.. Let me bold the parts that are relevant..
2 a : an authoritative rule dealing with details or procedure <safety regulations> b : a ruleor order issued by an executive authority or regulatory agency of a government and having the force of law
The message was written by a liberal hack messenger.
Like this one?
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Excellent piece, detailing exactly where obama is going wrong and why his radical, apologist, weak-kneed ideology has weakened the US around the world.
Right. We are nothing special. American exceptionalism is offensive and dangerous to obama and his ilk.
Yes indeed. The days when his rhetorical flourishes, cliches and platitudes mesmerized and inspired are long gone.
Yes, they have read it exactly right and so have our enemies. One only has to look to Iran, the mocking of obama and the US to understand how he is perceived.
When you have Turkey and Brazil, once stalwart and strong allies to the US, now siding and protecting Iran, well, it will take many years to undo the damage he has done in so short a time. Meanwhile, his non-policies are dangerous to the US and her allies.
Yeah the argument that Obama is an amateur can certainly be made but while you toot your horn at how well thought out and logical it all is to you, you forget you just posted the following in another thread
Where you dismissed the argument because the guy who wrote it didn't share your view. Never bothering to consider that Mortimer Benjamin Zuckerman has opposed Obama since the primaries but since he is "your" guy, he is not a hack.
So if it was fair to dismiss an argument just because of who said it, as you suggested 10 min before you posted this, then this thread is meaningless for the same reason. That will never dawn on you will it?
Those quotes relate to the nature of political power and getting it by manipulation and aren't inherently "right wing" or "left wing". They have been used by both.
Hitler was economically somewhat to the right of center but socially as extreme right wing as you could get. Stalin was economically as extremely left wing as you could get but socially as right wing as you could get.
As for those conservatives here who think that Hitler was a "leftist" because he was one of the ultimate believers in "Big Government" - continental European traditions of conservatism are different than those in the Anglosphere countries, and even within the US there are different types of conservatism, not all of them being based on free markets and limited government. Neocons, many social conservatives, and some paleocons do not believe in "small government".
The only difference in Hitler and Stalin... Hitler was a racist.
The only difference in Hitler and Stalin... Hitler was a racist.
So was Stalin as he imposed collective punishment on some ethnic groups in the former Soviet union and forcefully deported them to Siberia or the Asian republics of the USSR.
It proves that the liberal hack and his opinion are completely, totally owned by Hitler's own words.
You know, picking up a history book might be a better education of Hitler and his ways than falling for a liberal hack's fiction.
So you believed Hitler when he said he was socialist? Was the German Democratic Republic democratic? Was it a republic?
How about Democratic People's Republic of Korea? Is it democratic? How come you believe Hitler?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt Hitler PARTNER with Stalin to divide a country up? That doesnt sound like hatred...
Hitler partnered with Stalin for his own interests. I guess you forgot that Germany started a war against Russia just two years after they teamed up.
And yes, Hitler hated Marxism. Documented in his own book that he wrote.
What most Americans don't know: Hitler won against the real german socialistic party and the communist party in 1933. He was against what they stood for.
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