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You see Tn..I took the red pill.
There are no two parties anymore. It's a single party with two faces.
It doesn't matter which party gets in office because they both use the same play book and have the same agenda once you strip the partisan icing off the cake.
What would their criticisms be on Afghanistan? Seems to me if these liberals had better approaches for the U.S being able to win there they would be comming at the president with them.
Well I don't believe they do have a better approach they would care to admit publicly. I have been a long time critic of our foreign policy and the wars in the Middle East, so I would suggest that liberals continue to act as they did under Bush, and that is to take the streets in protest.
I wrote a piece that I may have even posted here that the election of Obama would be the greatest disaster to foreign policy since Bush. Reason being that is would silence the much needed opposition to the war and it did. Obama's position on Afghanistan was taken as much to be seen as strong on terrorism as it was about actually defeating terrorist. It was a political decision to help him get elected and even many of the intellectual left noted this during the primaries.
This idea of using the lives of soldiers to make a political points is something I found grotesque and the silence from the anti-war left is just quiet affirmation.
ooooh the humor of you calling "liberals finding their voice" a lie.. While you list liberals, who found their voice. I now return you to your typical crybaby temper tantrum in regards to people being "murdered"..
pghquest !!! ... Right You Are As Usual !
The wording of your last sentence truly says it all about these little buddies ! Their "True Colors" shall always be much in evidence ... including the unprecedented "Denial" of the "Facts" !
Perhaps a select few of our good old CDF folks appear to be truly existing on the "Fringes" of reality and are seemingly in desperate need of the "Shrink" !
"Crybaby Temper Tantrums" ... We should not be surprised at all by such foolish behaviors by those on the "Extreme Left" !
Perhaps someday they will return to a stable mental status !
You see Tn..I took the red pill.
There are no two parties anymore. It's a single party with two faces.
It doesn't matter which party gets in office because they both use the same play book and have the same agenda once you strip the partisan icing off the cake.
Careful taking pills Tex, you can never be to sure these days.
I'm fairly disgusted with the whole seesaw of left-right politics myself. The whole, "my guy right or wrong" attitude just seems so counter productive and insular of reality that you walk away feeling rather hollowed out.
By the next cycle once again the media will offer up two choices like a maniacal butcher with a T-bone in one hand and a Ribeye in the other and the whole taste great, less filling argument will once again ensue, and all I wanted was some fresh fish.
Only a few days after the murder of 11 oil rig workers I heard LIBERAL Ed Schultz both on radio and TV criticize Obama, and Also Thomm Hartman and my close friend who's a raging LIBERAL!
Another rightist lie....
I love this post...
Some are saying that they slow to find their voice to criticize Obama while others say that they were on it quickly and criticized Obama much sooner and then claims the right is lying...LOL
Either way...it appears that Obama is the problem.
Well I don't believe they do have a better approach they would care to admit publicly. I have been a long time critic of our foreign policy and the wars in the Middle East, so I would suggest that liberals continue to act as they did under Bush, and that is to take the streets in protest.
I wrote a piece that I may have even posted here that the election of Obama would be the greatest disaster to foreign policy since Bush. Reason being that is would silence the much needed opposition to the war and it did. Obama's position on Afghanistan was taken as much to be seen as strong on terrorism as it was about actually defeating terrorist. It was a political decision to help him get elected and even many of the intellectual left noted this during the primaries.
This idea of using the lives of soldiers to make a political points is something I found grotesque and the silence from the anti-war left is just quiet affirmation.
"Quiet affirmation" that no serious anti war movement exists, because it didnt when Bush was President and it surely does not now. I do agree, however, that electing Obama, and his ramping up in the 'Stan is a muted acceptance of Bush's foreign policy and I, too, find it hypocritical, but I never thought Obama was a true progressive, and the only candidate I found who was was Congressman Dennis Kucinich. Who I knew didnt have a chance. So we got stuck with Obama and a hope that he would really be different, as a majority of Americans wanted change, many of us (myself included) wanted radical change, and some didnt expect much change from Obama. I didnt and still don't, because Obama is a corporatist.
I knew he was infinitely better than either Bush or McCain but the fact is that, since September 11th, 2001, the military industrial complex is what is in charge. Obama may steer it ina different direction from time to time but he will not exercise the authority to stop its 600 billion dollar a year rampage across the planet. That person will likely never be the candidate chosen from either the Democratic or Republican parties, just the way the M.I.C. has planned.
"Quiet affirmation" that no serious anti war movement exists, because it didnt when Bush was President and it surely does not now. I do agree, however, that electing Obama, and his ramping up in the 'Stan is a muted acceptance of Bush's foreign policy and I, too, find it hypocritical, but I never thought Obama was a true progressive, and the only candidate I found who was was Congressman Dennis Kucinich. Who I knew didnt have a chance. So we got stuck with Obama and a hope that he would really be different, as a majority of Americans wanted change, many of us (myself included) wanted radical change, and some didnt expect much change from Obama. I didnt and still don't, because Obama is a corporatist.
I knew he was infinitely better than either Bush or McCain but the fact is that, since September 11th, 2001, the military industrial complex is what is in charge. Obama may steer it ina different direction from time to time but he will not exercise the authority to stop its 600 billion dollar a year rampage across the planet. That person will likely never be the candidate chosen from either the Democratic or Republican parties, just the way the M.I.C. has planned.
Well I keep waiting for an anti-war movement to erupt, but in truth, with Americans detachment from the situation, I'm dreaming but feel still feel the need to point it out.
To your first bolded portion, I totally agree and have said so on many occasions, in fact I would even assert that Kucinich was one few of the old left traditional liberals running around out there. I never bought into the Obama is a socialist uber liberal thing.
I always saw Biden as the "internationalist" of that bunch, but I have to wonder if any candidate is capable of making it to the big show without wearing a racers jacket of corporate sponsorship.
Sorry but I can't wait until you are out of a job.
How can you argue against guns being merely tools. If they did not or do not have guns to kill with it would be something else that you would have to be against like, lasers.
How can you argue against guns being merely tools. If they did not or do not have guns to kill with it would be something else that you would have to be against like, lasers.
Well the basis of the post I responded to was from someone employed by the arms manufacturing business so in a sense you are right, there is no argument.
Its a bit like when a politician holds up a baby and says... pass this legislation, if it saves just one child, isn't it worth it. Well sometimes no, it is not.
However since this is about liberal critics coming out to raise their concerns about Obama, I don't want to stray too far off topic and turn this into another taste great less filling thread.
So some liberals have finally decided they've had enough drinking the kool-aid and taken their Obamazombie blinders off long enough to realize what an utter disappointment their hero has been and how disastrous and incompetent his administration really is?
Now THAT is progress.
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I now return you to your typical crybaby temper tantrum in regards to people being "murdered".. 
Right You Are As Usual !
