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Old 06-22-2010, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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BTW - The laziest people I have ever met were the sons of very rich parents that could buy them anything the wanted. They did not have to even contemplate work so they concentrated on doing nothing.
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Old 06-22-2010, 07:15 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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BTW - The laziest people I have ever met were the sons of very rich parents that could buy them anything the wanted. They did not have to even contemplate work so they concentrated on doing nothing.

Raising another unproductive lazy Progressive voter!
There are millions just like that that hold the Progressive views that government is here to take care of us individuals.
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Old 06-22-2010, 07:19 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Our economy is called Capitalism but has become far removed because of the domination of a few industries. Why do we have four major railroads and not forty? Why just a few automobile manufactures instead of many? We have a corporatist economy dominated by relatively few banking and finance companies and a few really big manufacturers. We do not actually practice Capitalism in this country for the really wealthy. They have monopolies and the rest of us have a vicious free market dominated by an overwhelming surplus of labor.

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is about the most Capitalist country on the globe. They can afford the Capitalism because they are mining their wealth not because they are hard workers. They also have a disproportionate fraction of poor people because the oil is owned by a very few people. They are the perfect Capitalist tyranny.


The railroads were taken over by the Federal Government long ago.

Automotive regulations started long ago, where only the big guy survives. The little guy cannot compete with all the regulations.
Saudi Arabia has a King.
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Old 06-22-2010, 07:20 AM
 
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I think consumers play a big role in the balance of a capitalist market. If you have responsible consumers, the market will reflect it with competitive prices that are often reasonable and in bounds of the product of services natural price.

If you have irresponsible consumers, prices will reflect that as well resulting in overpriced goods and services as well as poor quality of service.

Obviously this is not the issue in entirety, but it plays a big role.
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Old 06-22-2010, 07:22 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Life is not about the individual, an individual only makes sense as a part of society. Nor is it about relying on your momma However, some people do depend more on help than others. And that is OK.

The only lazy people I have met in my life were people who were not motivated because they could not do what they actually wanted to do.

Our Federal Government was not designed to take care of the people.
That is why you see references to "man" and not "men" in our government documents at the beginning of our nation. It was about individuals, not what someone else thought.
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Old 06-22-2010, 07:50 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Our Federal Government was not designed to take care of the people.
That is why you see references to "man" and not "men" in our government documents at the beginning of our nation. It was about individuals, not what someone else thought.
I don't want either the current system, nor a system where a government regulates or takes care of my life. I like neither capitalism, nor socialism. In my view corporations regulate our lives much more than governments do. It's just not as obvious.

Can you quote a complete sentence about that men vs. man thing? Anyway, I guess your interpretation is wrong. Man without article or number simply means people
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Old 06-22-2010, 07:54 AM
 
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You must of went to government schools, what with the lack of reading comprehension and all.
"must of" ??? What was that about lack of comprehension again?

Sorry- I am not one who usually points out the grammatical errors on message board posts, but this one was a hanging curve ball. It was too easy.

Anyway- I said it best earlier- nobody doesn't like capitalism. What we all despise is corruption of capitalism where the wealthy and powerful few get a pass a do not have to play by the rules. That ISN'T a question of which economic system is best: it is a question of morality and ethics. Even if you're a fan of some other socioeconomic system- say communism- corruption is what fouls it up. Again, I'd rather fight corruption from within a free society rather than a closed, backwards, oppressed one.
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Old 06-22-2010, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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Default Unintended Consequences

Well the things listed aren't inherently evil, they have very poor unintended consequences. For example, minimum wage. Recently in the Bronx, they were going to build a new shopping mall. The City or Borough (I don't recall which) demanded a very high wage for employees. No longer having enough money to build the mall, the company cancelled plans to build the mall. So because of the minimum wage the City demanded, right now there are hundreds of unemployed young men in the Bronx and a big vacant patch of land that could have helped rejuvenate the area.

Look, Capitalism isn't perfect. But there is no other system on Earth remotely close to being as good. Capitalism is what has made America the greatest country in the world. Can you image if we were founded under Socialism or Communism? We'd have never even got out of the gate. It's time we recognize changing our system (whether it be to Socialism, Communism, Fascism) means committing national suicide.
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Old 06-22-2010, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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Well the things listed aren't inherently evil, they have very poor unintended consequences. For example, minimum wage. Recently in the Bronx, they were going to build a new shopping mall. The City or Borough (I don't recall which) demanded a very high wage for employees. No longer having enough money to build the mall, the company cancelled plans to build the mall. So because of the minimum wage the City demanded, right now there are hundreds of unemployed young men in the Bronx and a big vacant patch of land that could have helped rejuvenate the area.

Look, Capitalism isn't perfect. But there is no other system on Earth remotely close to being as good. Capitalism is what has made America the greatest country in the world. Can you image if we were founded under Socialism or Communism? We'd have never even got out of the gate. It's time we recognize changing our system (whether it be to Socialism, Communism, Fascism) means committing national suicide.
Capitalism has made America the wealthiest country. Is wealth a sign of greatness?
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Old 06-22-2010, 08:27 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Well the things listed aren't inherently evil, they have very poor unintended consequences. For example, minimum wage. Recently in the Bronx, they were going to build a new shopping mall. The City or Borough (I don't recall which) demanded a very high wage for employees. No longer having enough money to build the mall, the company cancelled plans to build the mall. So because of the minimum wage the City demanded, right now there are hundreds of unemployed young men in the Bronx and a big vacant patch of land that could have helped rejuvenate the area.

Look, Capitalism isn't perfect. But there is no other system on Earth remotely close to being as good. Capitalism is what has made America the greatest country in the world. Can you image if we were founded under Socialism or Communism? We'd have never even got out of the gate. It's time we recognize changing our system (whether it be to Socialism, Communism, Fascism) means committing national suicide.
Which is it now? They kind of exclude each other

Just because one system is better than a bad one does not mean it should not be overhauled, let alone that it is ideal.
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