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Old 06-24-2010, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Heres the problem in Afghanistan, as I see it.

We keep trying to tell these people what they can and can't do on their own land.

Afghanistans number one crop and export is Opium.

Could you imagine what we'd do if someone invaded the United States, and told us we could no longer grow corn?

We need to stay and finish this job. We had good reason for being there, an insurgent group supported by the government of a foreign country attacked us. We overturned the government, and are trying to annihilate the insurgent group.

The Taliban banned Opium to, but what better way of allowing the people of Afghanistan to do what they want, and get one up on the Taliban by allowing them to grow opium if they want to?

I mean, since the war started, the Taliban have been stockpiling opium, for money to fight. They have changed their outlook on opium, maybe we should at this point?

We can't win this war without the support of the Afghan people. Maybe its time that we start letting the Afghan people do as they will, not as we want them to? They hate the Taliban, they don't want them back. However, at this point we aren't much better, which is why they aren't helping us anymore.

Time for a change, so we can win this war, and be out of this place.
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Old 06-24-2010, 05:34 PM
 
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We can't win in Afghanistan period. It's too late to change the hearts and minds of the Afghan people. They have an endless supply of people ready to die, we don't.
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Old 06-24-2010, 05:59 PM
 
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Oabma in my opinion being a democrt is too comprmised from his own party to do a successful surge. The present surge is enough to compltete the goal being less than wanted and its said the civilian part isd even further behind.Half measures as in vietnam looking more and more.
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Old 06-24-2010, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Houston, texas
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There are no indications that the Taliban are willing to make peace.The special ops and Predator raids have turned out to be the most successful aspect of the Afghan battle plan.You can use those methods to degrade the enemy but it doesn't resolve the problem.The problem is we don't have a policy for resolving the problems.The U S Military would like to see the Taliban lay down their arms, but thats not likely.How the Afghans eventually sort out their ethnic rivalries is not a crucial U S national security interest, so long as there is no safe haven for international terrorists there.In the end, a more punishing counter-terrorism effort, rather than a patient counterinsurgency, may be the best way to get the Taliban to the table. At the moment, though the U S led effort to protect the Pastun populace is proving futile and maybe irrelevant.Counterterrorism means going after the bad guys. Counterinsurgency means protecting the good guys. The latter requires patience and extensive resources especially the presence of a reliable partner a "host nation" that will uphold the rule of law and provide a basic level of essential services and security for the populace.Karzai's government is incapable of doing that. Maybe General David Petraeus can change that situation.
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Old 06-24-2010, 06:37 PM
 
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We can't win in Afghanistan period. It's too late to change the hearts and minds of the Afghan people. They have an endless supply of people ready to die, we don't.
true words
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Old 06-24-2010, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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We can't occupy Afghanistan forever, but why can't we change the tactics, and allow them to rule their own country, and help them run it the way they want.

Right now the problem is, we are trying to get them to run it the way we want.

If we help them, they'll be much more likely to help us, and end the war quicker.
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Old 06-24-2010, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Lewes, Delaware
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Oabma in my opinion being a democrt is too comprmised from his own party to do a successful surge. The present surge is enough to compltete the goal being less than wanted and its said the civilian part isd even further behind.Half measures as in vietnam looking more and more.
Dubya strikes again.
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Old 06-24-2010, 11:08 PM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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The US can't admit defeat. That's going to cram us deeper into a boondoggle. When "the powers that be" start negotiating with the likes of Wali Karzai, and saying " we are open to ideas on how to deal with the situation"
they clearly have NO idea what they are doing. The "winning hearts and minds" is NOT working. But arrogance, greed, and stupidity will win out, at least for awhile, because many of the sheeple are in a half slumber......assuming the position every day to appease the warmongers, and their "mission."
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Old 06-25-2010, 12:18 AM
 
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It isn't just another vietnam unfortunately.We are not tryng to win their hearts and minds ;that was vietnam. We only awant a force that can defend themselves which they never have had.But then I see the same ones who said the iraq surge would never work.Defeat is engrained in many now days.Obama is lucky he has the majority suport in each party nlike Bush.
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Old 06-25-2010, 12:41 AM
 
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The US can't admit defeat. That's going to cram us deeper into a boondoggle. When "the powers that be" start negotiating with the likes of Wali Karzai, and saying " we are open to ideas on how to deal with the situation"
they clearly have NO idea what they are doing. The "winning hearts and minds" is NOT working. But arrogance, greed, and stupidity will win out, at least for awhile, because many of the sheeple are in a half slumber......assuming the position every day to appease the warmongers, and their "mission."

How can we admit defeat when we have yet to define victory?

Free elections are a step in the right direction, but a step backward if they choose an Islamo-fascist government. The problem is bringing a middle-age civilization into the twenty-first century in a short period of time. I'm not really sure it can even be done given that they are an Islamic state. Modern, Western-style democracies and the Muslim religion simply don't play well together. The tendency will always be to revert back to their dark past. Perhaps we have already done all we can do.
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