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Old 07-05-2010, 03:23 PM
 
Location: East Chicago, IN
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In essence, it's merely about credentials. You could party your ass off during the four years and barely pass the finals, but so long as you get that degree, you're straight. You have those companies that care about the school you went to and how your grades were, etc., and those that only say "we want a college degree."
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Old 07-05-2010, 03:25 PM
 
Location: nj
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the numbers don't lie. on average, people who have a college degree, make more money than those without....
the "piece of paper" doesn't necessarily make a person smarter.
but it does open doors that are closed to people who do not have college degrees.

People with a college degree often work for someone else and get a paycheck with the full amount of money made already submitted to the IRS.
People without a college degree often work for themselves and try to submit the lowest amount legally possible to the IRS sometimes adding relatives to the payroll to make their individual income seem lower .

It may seem to be a larger amount "on paper" but that is the world you college pushers live in .
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Old 07-05-2010, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Central, IL
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the numbers don't lie. on average, people who have a college degree, make more money than those without....
the "piece of paper" doesn't necessarily make a person smarter.
but it does open doors that are closed to people who do not have college degrees.
Numbers always lie. First thing one is taught in statistical math, is that the stats and numbers can be manipulated in favor of which ever way the person getting the data wants.
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Old 07-05-2010, 04:56 PM
 
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"Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts." Calvin Coolidge. All these decades later his words still ring true.
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Old 07-05-2010, 05:08 PM
 
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Numbers always lie. First thing one is taught in statistical math, is that the stats and numbers can be manipulated in favor of which ever way the person getting the data wants.
ok, prove the numbers wrong. you will not be able to find evidence that on average, people without a college degree make as much (or more) than people with a college degree.
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Old 07-05-2010, 05:10 PM
 
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People with a college degree often work for someone else and get a paycheck with the full amount of money made already submitted to the IRS.
People without a college degree often work for themselves and try to submit the lowest amount legally possible to the IRS sometimes adding relatives to the payroll to make their individual income seem lower .

It may seem to be a larger amount "on paper" but that is the world you college pushers live in .
what's the name of that river in egypt?
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Old 07-05-2010, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Central, IL
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ok, prove the numbers wrong. you will not be able to find evidence that on average, people without a college degree make as much (or more) than people with a college degree.
prove the numbers correct. That is the point, numbers can not be proven is dis-proven, they can be manipulated.

I am not saying that it is true or not true that people on average that have a college degree make more money then non college grads. I would venture to say that on average, yes they do make more. But that doesnt mean that having a college degree guarantees one will make more.
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Old 07-05-2010, 05:17 PM
 
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prove the numbers correct. That is the point, numbers can not be proven is dis-proven, they can be manipulated.

I am not saying that it is true or not true that people on average that have a college degree make more money then non college grads. I would venture to say that on average, yes they do make more. But that doesnt mean that having a college degree guarantees one will make more.
no guarantees. more doors are open for a person with a college degree. look at the job listings...
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Old 07-05-2010, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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prove the numbers correct. That is the point, numbers can not be proven is dis-proven, they can be manipulated.

I am not saying that it is true or not true that people on average that have a college degree make more money then non college grads. I would venture to say that on average, yes they do make more. But that doesnt mean that having a college degree guarantees one will make more.
I will give you a simple number: the average first-year teacher makes around $35.00 per year (has a college degree). The average first-year firefighter starts at $64K, degree or not, and there is a higher demand for firefighters than there's for teachers. At the university I work at, a degree may help in relation to managerial , and sometimes supervisory jobs. However, since there are so many manager/supervisor jobs available (a very few), the demand is on skills, not on college degrees. While I have a college degree, it makes no difference since what is required is my skills knowledge.

Another point I would like to make: the best jobs these days are in the Federal and local governments. If you read the "education" portion of the job application, you will notice that experience (training) or skills can be used in exchange for education. The way the economy is today, skills have become a lot more important than college degrees, and that's one of the reasons why a lot of graduate students have to work for someone else or a company along skilled workers. A College degree is not what it used to be ten or twenty years ago. Now you have to go a lot further (doctorate and such) since a college degree is closer to what a HS degree was years ago.

A lot of HS students are taking college classes long before they complete HS, and are graduating in college at the age of 22 (younger sometimes). I know a student who graduated as a physicist three years ago at the age of 21. He is teaching HS physics locally, but can only teach part-time since a demand for teachers is not that great. He is making around $20K, and has decided to go back to college.

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Old 07-05-2010, 05:22 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Numbers always lie. First thing one is taught in statistical math, is that the stats and numbers can be manipulated in favor of which ever way the person getting the data wants.
Yes, but some stats and numbers do also reflect reality; this is such a case. The collective income gap between people with and without higher education is very well documented from multiple sources and perspectives over time. This is not to say that everyone without a college degree does worse than everyone with one; obviously, that is not the case. But if you look at the overall population, there is a definite correlation that says: higher degree = more lifetime income.
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