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People have a habit when discussing this issue of making the exception the rule and vice versa.
Yes there are college grads who can't find their way out of a paper bag and genius high school drop outs running multi million dollar companies. However the trends don't move this way.
The best defense against poverty is high school graduation. College grads earn, on average, 1.5 million more over their life time than non-college grads.
Just because someone "knows a guy who..." doesn't make a trend!
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Originally Posted by shorebaby
I am not sure anyone is saying one job is more "legitimate" than another. The OP simply stated he/she doesn't understand why people complain about being underemployed when they had the option of getting a college degree. A degree that would at least be a leg up towards a job the complainer thinks would be more fulfilling.
Of course people can succeed without a college degree. It is a simple fact that college educated folks make more than those who do not have a college degree. And before someone points out that Bill Gates doesn't have a college degree, he is an exception. I am speaking in general. If you want to increase your odds of achieving material success get a college degree. It is not a guarantee but increases the odds.
Thank you both for saying the above. This is a common topic over on the education forums. Many people bring up Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and a few others. These people are major exceptions!
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Originally Posted by tb4000
And then you have some people that view the college education as a "oh, you think you're hot **** because you got that fancy degree?"
Yes, there is a lot of anti-intellectualism in some of these "I don't need no college degree" posts and in real life as well.
I don't think graduating from college is the accomplishment it once was, or does it equate to financial stability as it did in the past. College has become a business, anyone with money or credit can go to college now days. There are also a lot more college graduates each year then there are jobs, so you have loads of college grads with loads of debt and no real job opportunities. I'm a college graduate by the way, if I could do it all over I probably wouldn't have gone to college, atleast not out of highschool or in my early 20's. College today is basically a scam, you spend a whole lot of money, waste a whole lot of time, and you're guaranteed nothing really.
Tea Party members are overall, a very educated and enlightened crowd Like the woman who never had any interest in politics until Obama was elected or the people who still believe he was born in Kenya. Sorry, but Tea Party members are mostly ignorant, uneducated people . .
I don't think graduating from college is the accomplishment it once was, or does it equate to financial stability as it did in the past. College has become a business, anyone with money or credit can go to college now days. There are also a lot more college graduates each year then there are jobs, so you have loads of college grads with loads of debt and no real job opportunities. I'm a college graduate by the way, if I could do it all over I probably wouldn't have gone to college, atleast not out of highschool or in my early 20's. College today is basically a scam, you spend a whole lot of money, waste a whole lot of time, and you're guaranteed nothing really.
Well, I dropped out of college just 2 semesters before finishing my bachelors degree. I had a good gpa too. I just hate school. Can't stand it. Definitely needed a temporary (or permanent) break from it.
Right now, I have had trouble finding work, but who hasn't? I certainly don't complain about my situation though, (the op's insinuated that all of us without a degree complain about our situation).
As the second poster (I think it was the second) said, not everyone is college bound. To say differently is to be ignorant. You think its easy for someone with severe dyslexia to finish school? What about people who suffer mental disorders? Do you think the over 1% of children diagnosed with autism today have the ability to finish college? Possibly, but I wouldn't put my bets on it.
There are still great paying jobs to be had without needing a college degree. One of the jobs I had in college was bartending at night clubs. I made more money doing that than whatever entry level job my degree was going to get me. I could go straight back to doing that, but I am wanting to at least try for some entry level office work before I do.
I said some people complian that their so called "hard, stressful" jobs are hard.
also, There are plenty of programs designed to help students with disabilities. I have a math disability but I'm still going to college and making the best of it.
Word, but then again you don't have to start your life with huge amounts of debt. The number one goal of college today is to get the student in debt, and having them spend the rest of their life being a slave to that debt. The cost of college in this country is immoral, the fact that they allow so many get in debt, especially now days with there being no jobs basically. You have American kids spending thousands or taking thousands in debt, while they give jobs to Chinese and Indians on H1B visas.
I said some people complian that their so called "hard, stressful" jobs are hard.
also, There are plenty of programs designed to help students with disabilities. I have a math disability but I'm still going to college and making the best of it.
That is awesome that you are finding a way to control your disability, but you cannot expect others to do the same. While I don't have a disability of my own, I have seen countless people who do. Its not easy living with such things, let alone putting yourself under added stress and debt via college. You can't expect everyone else in the country to approach their disabilities the same way you do. Some people who have them accept that there are certain paths in life (such as college) that are going to be extremely more difficult for them than the population at large, and opt for another path in life that is more easier for them to accomplish. They shouldn't be ridiculed for doing so, and they deserve a fair chance in this world without a degree if you ask me.
And then you have some people that view the college education as a "oh, you think you're hot **** because you got that fancy degree?"
Those are the people that I love to give a big bill to.
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Like the woman who never had any interest in politics until Obama was elected or the people who still believe he was born in Kenya. Sorry, but Tea Party members are mostly ignorant, uneducated people . .
