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See, this is the kind of thing that makes me laugh...
We've had an increase in social programs since Carter, homosexuality went from being a hush-hush word to being plastered all over television and now is on the verge of reaching equality with heterosexual marriage, any semblance of religion is being systematically being wiped out of schools and courts all over the country due to a poor mis-interpretation of our Constitution, pornography is readily available for ALL to view and "sex shops" now readily advertise in the yellow pages (when they used to be a town's dirty little secret), and the media now basically runs our wars for us and has full access to the military during moments where they didn't used to be allowed in the country, our kids used to be sent to the office for uttering the word "damn" in school, but now they can hear FAR worse on public television, and Roe vs. Wade is still in full effect.......
Now I'm not going to get into any sort of debate about whether this is all "good or bad", but PLEASE tell me how any of this is somehow symbolic of Conservatism dominating politics or any "lean to the right" at all???
I am not talking about 'Cultural ideology'
And the only states that have liberalized homosexuality are in two corners of the nation- the northeast and west coast. I do believe at least 23 other states have banned gay marriage and civil unions. And most of these states do not have anti discrimination laws against gay, bi sexual and trans gendered people. So this great liberal wave is happening not in the heartland, but on the 'blue coastal states'.
What I am talking about is not a cultural issue- but 'economic progressivism' . Economics has been very conservative for years-
We have had a very pro business, pro corporate very laissez Fair mindset for 27 years- that hurts the average guy but benefits hugely corporations, their CE0's and shareholders. We have seen attempts to dissolve safety nets for many Americans like social security- and cut backs in many social programs. The so called 'ownership society' built on massive debt and large amounts of 'liquidity' may be coming to an end. The baby boom generation is nearing retirement- the US savings rate is at zero- I would not think these kind of current economic and societal trends are sustainable. The gay issue is not of any importance- except by the far right in another 'cultural witch hunt' to cover up and ignore health care problems, a demographic time bomb, huge amounts of debt, a low savings rate, lack of pensions- and other societal/economic problems. The far right ignores peoples needs-it ignores real issues and prefers to 'manufacture issues' about gays that amount to nothing but hate , and intolerance.
It amazes me when drug and health insurance company CEO's make 100s of millions of dollars and the fat and wealthy shareholders become even richer- while Americans like myself struggle to pay high health care premiums- and the far right talks about gays.
And please- stop talking about gays- they are not THE issue- economic issues are- something YOU conveniently choose to ignore.
The republican party by in large has become disconnected with the harsh realities many Americans face- and still believe the road to utopia is through corporate America- that is unregulated and not curbed of the greed and disregard they have for workers.
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Let me get this straight: gay marriage, civil unions, the circumventing of the law in San Francisco and Massachusetts....this is the conservative politicans paying attention to the issue of "gays" and not more pressing issues? Who exactly made this stuff top priority? Thanks for the daily dose of laughter....I arose just in time for the moonbats to take flight! And for the those moonbats who still worship Slicky Willy, remind me again what exactly what was the first initiative he pushed after he took that so-called "oath" in 93? Tick tock.....we know exactly WHO really is at the front of such agendas....it is just that some on the left want to cry and stomp up and down over spilled milk when ever anyone dares object to their "idealistic" libertine society.
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Gay bashing and the rest of the social retrogression the neocon and "conservatives" want to push on us are just a smokescreen for the real goal of corporate takeover of the government.
.it is just that some on the left want to cry and stomp up and down over spilled milk when ever anyone dares object to their "idealistic" libertine society.
Ironic that you have 'Live free or die' under your name.
I guess that means 'live free' as long as its by 'my' rules ,
but 'die' if you choose not to.......
And the only states that have liberalized homosexuality are in two corners of the nation- the northeast and west coast. I do believe at least 23 other states have banned gay marriage and civil unions. And most of these states do not have anti discrimination laws against gay, bi sexual and trans gendered people. So this great liberal wave is happening not in the heartland, but on the 'blue coastal states'.
But are you going to DARE claim that attitudes toward homosexuality have not softened GREATLY over the last 20 years???
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What I am talking about is not a cultural issue- but 'economic progressivism' . Economics has been very conservative for years-
In many aspects economic philosophy has been very conservative as far as lower taxes, and also crap like defecit spending and "trickle down economics" (which it is now clear doesn't work, not that I ever thought it would).
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We have had a very pro business, pro corporate very laissez Fair mindset for 27 years- that hurts the average guy but benefits hugely corporations, their CE0's and shareholders. We have seen attempts to dissolve safety nets for many Americans like social security- and cut backs in many social programs.
Well let's not throw around some of these big words until we examine them a bit closer. We are nowhere CLOSE to a "laissez faire" mindset, but that may be as much the fault of conservatism as anything with government bailouts and subsidies and such which goes against the very ESSENCE of Laissez Faire. I agree that our government looks out too much for large corporations and not enough for the little guy due to the stupid theory that these large corporations are going to pass thier good fortunes on to the consumer or the worker.... HA!!!
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The so called 'ownership society' built on massive debt and large amounts of 'liquidity' may be coming to an end. The baby boom generation is nearing retirement- the US savings rate is at zero- I would not think these kind of current economic and societal trends are sustainable.
Perhaps.
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The gay issue is not of any importance- except by the far right in another 'cultural witch hunt' to cover up and ignore health care problems, a demographic time bomb, huge amounts of debt, a low savings rate, lack of pensions- and other societal/economic problems. The far right ignores peoples needs-it ignores real issues and prefers to 'manufacture issues' about gays that amount to nothing but hate , and intolerance.
Again, I'm not going to get into a pissing match over these things, but you need to be WAY more specific in your posts. YOU stated that economics and THEN SOME were ALL very conservative leaning over the last 30 or so years and I called you on it.
You wish to limit your statement to economics ONLY now and I might be inclined to agree.
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And please- stop talking about gays- they are not THE issue- economic issues are- something YOU conveniently choose to ignore.
No, I chose to include it AMONG OTHER THINGS in politics. YOU were too general, not me.
Ironic that you have 'Live free or die' under your name.
I guess that means 'live free' as long as its by 'my' rules ,
but 'die' if you choose not to.......
I get it.
Baloney. Let the people decide. Tough concept to swallow?
What other people decide to do with and to each other is none of my business.
or Get government out of the bedroom.
What corporations are doing with my tax money is my business!
and Get government back into the boardrooms. Corporations cannot be trusted to be either honest or law abiding. Hell, at this point Government cannot be trusted to be law abiding!
What other people decide to do with and to each other is none of my business.
or Get government out of the bedroom.
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I agree so lets tell those same people to stop bringing their bedroom out in public!
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