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IIRC the Green Mountain Boys were an organized band of cutthroats determined to keep Vermont free of the big landowners that were reducing Vermont freehold farmers to tenant status as was common under the New York polder system. The Green Mountain boys didn't have any love for the British aristocracy either.
They were not "reducing Vermont freehold farmers to tenant status." Those settlers had no right to be on the land. Their grants came from the Governor of New Hampshire, who had no right to make land grants in the State of New York. The were land thieves pure and simple.
The Green Mountain boys were more than willing to negotiate with the British to take Vermont into Canada.
There are no state militia. State militias were phase out with the 1903 Militia Act. A "private militia" is a social club.
Not exactly...the legal status of other militias has been kind of murky...due in large part to the law you cite...
From the 1903 Militia Act...
"Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are--
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia."
Technically, if you are male in this country between the ages of 17 and 45 and not in the armed forces or national guard, you're in the unorganized militia. Wonder how many American men know that?
Most militias of today cite paragraph 2 clause 2 above...the "unorganized militia", the definition provided above is pretty broad. There is currently no federal law prohibiting the formation of militias, nor is there any law encouraging it, either. Courts have routinely decided that they have no rights or privileges over and above any private citizen.
Fairly good summary of legal standing, good and bad here--
Not exactly...the legal status of other militias has been kind of murky...due in large part to the law you cite...
From the 1903 Militia Act...
"Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are--
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia."
Technically, if you are male in this country between the ages of 17 and 45 and not in the armed forces or national guard, you're in the unorganized militia. Wonder how many American men know that?
Most militias of today cite paragraph 2 clause 2 above...the "unorganized militia", the definition provided above is pretty broad. There is currently no federal law prohibiting the formation of militias, nor is there any law encouraging it, either. Courts have routinely decided that they have no rights or privileges over and above any private citizen.
Fairly good summary of legal standing, good and bad here--
You could be classified as a "space alien" or a "worldly stud" but if it means nothing, then it means nothing. The unorganized militia is the pool of people that are eligible to be drafted, nothing more. Some wingnuts want to make it into something else, but it isn't.
They were not "reducing Vermont freehold farmers to tenant status." Those settlers had no right to be on the land. Their grants came from the Governor of New Hampshire, who had no right to make land grants in the State of New York. The were land thieves pure and simple.
The Green Mountain boys were more than willing to negotiate with the British to take Vermont into Canada.
NY's claim was based on: A) they were greedy and wanted the land and B) they were corrupt enough to get the British government to go along with them.
The Vermonters were already settling the land, the NY'ers tried to drive them off. We didn't let that happen.
You could be classified as a "space alien" or a "worldly stud" but if it means nothing, then it means nothing. The unorganized militia is the pool of people that are eligible to be drafted, nothing more. Some wingnuts want to make it into something else, but it isn't.
You may say it means nothing; others say it does. (I believe that the intent was as you said--a draft pool.) That's the point...just because you said they don't exist doesn't make it so. Some of those wingnuts have created something out of it, and have the legal standing to do so. It's what they do after they are organized that can get them in trouble.
All I was trying to do was point out that factual error in the statement that there were no state militias. Check out the Tennessee State Guard. It's not the national guard, it's not the army, yet it is a state supported part of the Military Department of the State of Tennessee. It's function is to take the place of and/or assist the Tennessee National Guard if they're called up to active duty. The State Guard may also be called upon in the event of a disaster, attack or other emergency to aid the National Guard.; i.e. a militia.
NY's claim was based on: A) they were greedy and wanted the land and B) they were corrupt enough to get the British government to go along with them.
The Vermonters were already settling the land, the NY'ers tried to drive them off. We didn't let that happen.
Actual New York always had a legal claim to land west of the Connecticut River. The Governor of New Hampshire tried to extend a Massachusetts decision to apply to New Hampshire. He had no such authority, but it lined his purse with money. Those settlers had no right to be on the land, and New York was settling that area in the 1720s, New Hampshire started illegally making grants in 1749. New York immediately notified those settlers that their grants were invalid. Stealing land you don't owe is the greed.
Actual New York always had a legal claim to land west of the Connecticut River. The Governor of New Hampshire tried to extend a Massachusetts decision to apply to New Hampshire. He had no such authority, but it lined his purse with money. Those settlers had no right to be on the land, and New York was settling that area in the 1720s, New Hampshire started illegally making grants in 1749. New York immediately notified those settlers that their grants were invalid. Stealing land you don't owe is the greed.
Learn some F*ing history.
LOL You sound like a bitter NY'er. NY lost, get over it.
You may say it means nothing; others say it does. (I believe that the intent was as you said--a draft pool.) That's the point...just because you said they don't exist doesn't make it so. Some of those wingnuts have created something out of it, and have the legal standing to do so. It's what they do after they are organized that can get them in trouble.
The have no legal standing. Private militias are social clubs
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All I was trying to do was point out that factual error in the statement that there were no state militias. Check out the Tennessee State Guard. It's not the national guard, it's not the army, yet it is a state supported part of the Military Department of the State of Tennessee. It's function is to take the place of and/or assist the Tennessee National Guard if they're called up to active duty. The State Guard may also be called upon in the event of a disaster, attack or other emergency to aid the National Guard.; i.e. a militia.
The Tennessee State Guard is Boy Scouts for adults.
Glad to see them do the right thing but it bothers me that 4 voted against it. Do they not believe in the constitution?
That is precisely my feelings on the matter. While gun advocates are waving the flag of victory ... they fail to see that a 7-2 decision would be cause for concern ... but a 5-4 decision is a photo finish.
The outcome of this court decision can and WILL BE reversed WHEN that anti-American, constitution hating, gun grabbing TROLL "Kagen" is confirmed by this fraudulent congress who are merely putting on a confirmation "show".
This SC decision is far from a victory or cause for celebration. It was nothing more than a temporary setback for the dictatorship who now has a clear path for enacting gun confiscation. This was the litmus test ... and the results are ... "we need only one more vote to disarm the slaves".
That TROLL ... Kagen IS THEIR ONE NEEDED VOTE.
History will record the loss of American liberty at the hands of the current crop of traitors in congress, the White House, and the Supreme court.
The 2nd amendment is the only thing keeping these despots from suspending the entire constitution, permanently.
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