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Social conditioning is a different topics entirely. The subject at hand is examining the relationship between crime and the Chicago gun ban and if those statistics will decrease with the SCOTUS ruling on McDonald vs. Chicago.
There are many ways to reduce crime; however, those are not the topic of this thread.
Actually yours is an opinion (about the superiority of European society), not a fact. I wouldn't expect a bird whose wings had been clipped or had been bred over generations not to fly to feel it missed flying either. One cannot miss something one has never known.
It is very much part of this thread, as it touches on the reasons for crime. Does anyone really think more guns will solve the underlying social problems?
We have had this discussion in several threads and nobody has so far come up with a list of concrete things your supposedly bigger freedoms over there allow you to do that I am not allowed to do over here.
It is very much part of this thread, as it touches on the reasons for crime. Does anyone really think more guns will solve the underlying social problems?
We have had this discussion in several threads and nobody has so far come up with a list of concrete things your supposedly bigger freedoms over there allow you to do that I am not allowed to do over here.
You choose to broaden the topic off subject. And yes, you do try to broaden it in every thread on firearms in which you post. Fewer guns in the hands of law abiding citizens does not = fewer guns in the hands of criminals. Thankfully SCOTUS seems to have recognized this in their decision on McDonald vs. Chicago.
I'll leave the Bible out of this, and I can tell you that violent crime happens anywhere in the world, even in countries that are "largely agnostic or atheist". They may have much stricter gun laws, but they do not necessarily have much "lower violent crime" rate than we do in the United States. Look at Columbia, and the violent crime that's caused by the drug cartels, where innocent people end up being victims.
It is very much part of this thread, as it touches on the reasons for crime. Does anyone really think more guns will solve the underlying social problems?
We have had this discussion in several threads and nobody has so far come up with a list of concrete things your supposedly bigger freedoms over there allow you to do that I am not allowed to do over here.
We heavily armed Americans here have not experienced a tyrant on the scale of Hitler.
Which is the main reason behind the second amendment.
And for other rights, we can defend ourselves from armed, violent thugs. And don't pretend Europe has none, because they do. Wasn't that long ago the UK had a mass shooting spree that left several people dead, in spite of strict gun laws.
I have been to Switzerland naturally, people there are very different from Anglo-Saxon cultures. They will never have crime the way Americans have it, it is a totally different culture where life is considered kind of untouchable, very much like in Germany, whether their gun laws are similar or not. Even Swiss big cities are small, without all the problems American cities face. Swiss society is rather egalitarian, there is little poverty, the standard of life is high for everybody.
It is interesting that guns in Switzerland are largely associated with the militia, i.e. the army, not with private citizens. The word militia for Switzerland in my view means what was originally meant in the US constitution, i.e. a kind of military ready to defend the country against foreign forces if necessary. Those arms in Switzerland are not meant to be used against Swiss people. On that page you will also find the differences to US gun laws, for instance regarding carrying guns.
Did you not read my link? There's pretty widespread civilian ownership of private firearms there...in addition to the militia related arms.
It wasn't that many years ago that Switzerland had readily available concealed carry licenses in most of their cantons. The issue of them was federalized though they are still available somewhat unlike many European countries (though the Czech Republic probably has the best concealed carry laws of Europe).
There may be merit to the argument there's cultural and societal reasons for Switzerland being so safe (which may be true here in Vermont too), but in any case, it doesn't change the facts that allowing some of the most freedom for gun ownership in Western Europe, has not caused crime issues in Switzerland.
I hear gun nuts claiming that the reason Chicago has so many shootings because handguns were banned, even though shotguns were not. They have long claimed that overturning the handgun ban would serve as a deterrent and reduce crimes. Wanna bet that the number of murders will not be reduced next year. This will have no impact on gun violence as most of the people getting shot (gangbangers) in Chicago already had guns.
So what your saying is that the previous law didn't not help nor will repealing it do any harm? So bacailly the court was right in not prevent citizens from owning guns in chicago.Homocaide is in law from criminal to justified self defense. Most people distinguish the difference ;you don't it seems.
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There are largely agnostic or atheist countries that have way lower violent crime than the US.
