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View Poll Results: Why Are We In Afghanistan?
Track down Al Quaeda members 19 38.78%
Rid Afghanistan of the Taliban 20 40.82%
Oil pipeline influence 18 36.73%
Geopolitical Stability 16 32.65%
Mineral Deposits 17 34.69%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 49. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-29-2010, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Unfortunately Empires do not need to Declare War. Empires only have to send the troops wherever the Corporations need protection from the natives they are looting.
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Old 06-29-2010, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Where is the "Who the Hell knows?" option in the poll.
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Old 06-29-2010, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Miami / Florida / U.S.A.
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What is/are the real reasons?
Natural resources.

$$$$
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Old 06-29-2010, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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plain old fashioned greed
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Old 06-29-2010, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Oil. Our largest import is middle eastern oil. We have a massive presence in the middle east in all countries because of oil. We spend 1 billion a day on oil from the middle east. We spend another billion a day protecting that flow of oil. We are in Afghanistan to keep the pressure on the Islamic right wing extremist movement to keep them from de-stabilizing the middle east and disrupting the flow of oil. Losing the ready flow of oil from the middle east to america would bring our nation to a halt. Commodities wouldn't get to market, free travel of citizens would be severely curtailed and our commercial infrastructure would come to a halt.

America's interests are in keeping a free and uninterupted flow of oil to our country. We buy countries with foreign aid, we implant intellegence agents with other country's agencies wherever possible. We bully every country we can in accepting troops to defend against extremists wherever we can. Oil........it's all about oil and it always has been.
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Old 06-29-2010, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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What I don't understand is why we don't help the Afghanistan gov. take over what fuels the terrorists....the opium business? My understanding is many of the Taliban members join because they are stricken with poverty.
Opium may be helping terrorists, but it is not the reason behind terrorism. An intrusive government would do nothing but add fuel to fire. Militant groups always want to grow and will do anything to strike fear and drive general populace towards it. Especially if they don't have their very own governance running the show.

What we must address is, what fuels their drive to recruit more people. And in the mean time, we must also do our best to protect the disease from spreading. This was a concern to Charlie Wilson back in the 1980s when he proposed doing more than just leaving Afghanistan in the hands of Al Qaeda. It was ignored, even as Al Qaeda and many of its new factions were now intruding into Pakistan and India (Kashmir).

War won't solve it. Drone attacks won't solve it. What must happen is reaching out to the people and getting them to believe in America.
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Old 06-29-2010, 11:55 AM
 
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You need an "All of the above" option.
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Old 06-29-2010, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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What is/are the real reasons?
Every war we've been in since WW2 boils down to 3 real reasons for getting involved:

#1 To control sources of rapidly dwindling world resources.

#2 To keep other powers from becoming powerful enough to effectively challenge our dominion.

#3 To maintain a global presence in facilitation of reasons #1 and #2.

If it doesn't advance that mandate, we don't go.

That's why we aren't in North Korea even though they developed and built nukes under our noses, repeatedly threaten and even outright attack our allies without provocation.

It's why the Darfur and Rwanda genocides proceeded (and continue) unmolested.

It's why we've looked the other way as dozens of cruelties and injustices were perpetrated across the planet but went into full-blown wars costing hundreds of thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars over a couple of towers and a folder full of bad evidence.

We have nothing to gain by doing the right thing, after all. Isn't word politics fun?

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Old 06-29-2010, 02:17 PM
 
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What must happen is reaching out to the people and getting them to believe in America.

something about this statement doesn't sit right with me...

are you saying we need to reach out to the people in Afghanistan, and get them to believe in America? if so, why? i'm all for creating allies, and not making enemies, but getting a country to believe in America just doesn't seem fitting to me...
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Old 06-29-2010, 02:28 PM
 
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something about this statement doesn't sit right with me...

are you saying we need to reach out to the people in Afghanistan, and get them to believe in America? if so, why? i'm all for creating allies, and not making enemies, but getting a country to believe in America just doesn't seem fitting to me...

Why not?
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