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View Poll Results: The Montana GOP says homosexuality should be illegal. Do you agree?
Yes 14 12.28%
No 100 87.72%
Not sure 0 0%
Voters: 114. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-01-2010, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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What does the state of Montana say?

Montana GOP - MONTANA REPUBLICAN PARTY PLATFORM (http://www.mtgop.org/platform.aspx - broken link)

Don't argue with what I say, argue with what they say.

All of the above things you mentioned when they occur between people of the same sex, are homosexual acts.

It's only abnormal when it's done between people of the same sex.

Sexual attraction between people of the opposite sex is normal.
Sexual attraction between people of the same sex is abnormal. (Just because you can doesn't mean it's normal).

Sexual behavior between people of the same sex is unnatural. (Just because you can doesn't make it natural).
Sexual behavior between people of the opposite sex is natural.

Believe me I'm not the only one who believes this. I'm not coming from a position of religion at all. I don't use religion to justify my beliefs on this subject.

Everyone is entitled to live the life they want to live. If you are happy being abnormal, because that's what "normal" means to you, then by all means live your life. You just won't be living it in Montana.
"Abnormal" or "unnatural" does not and should not automatically equal "illegal"!
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Old 07-01-2010, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Sorry to hear that, too bad you were exposed to all that crap . At least you can spell though, some come out not even doing that without spell check they are lost . Did you use spell check ? Are you a homosexual ?
All those words used and you STILL didn't answer his questions.
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Old 07-01-2010, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Bless your little heart , I don't want to argue with you, this is the world we left you so sorry I was replying to you about it .
Why do you bother making comments on a forum if you don't want to argue and stand up for your beliefs? That just makes no sense whatsoever.
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Old 07-01-2010, 08:46 AM
 
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"Abnormal" or "unnatural" does not and should not automatically equal "illegal"!
Having a high IQ is "abnormal". But no-one in the Montana GOP could be accused of that. I guess they already banned that "abnormality" from their party.
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Old 07-01-2010, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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I'll explain this one last time. I do hope you can understand exactly what I mean because I'm not going to type it again. Re read this more than once if you need to.

Sex between people with the same sex organs is abnormal.

Sex between people with opposite sex organs is normal.

I don't care if the Hetero-couple uses birth control or not.

I don't care if the man is sterile. (hetero couple)

I don't care if the woman is menopausal. (hetero couple)

Sex between people with the same sex organs is abnormal.

Just because you can do something sexual with someone with the same sex organs doesn't mean you should, or because you can and it feels great and feels normal doesn't make it natural or normal behavior.

Homosexual behavior is abnormal.

It's not hate, it's not homophobia, it's simply the truth. And the truth is difficult for some people to take when it involves them being on the wrong side of normal.

If you're happy being "you", then be "you". Don't go to Montana and you'll live happily in the bliss of what your "reality" of what normal is.

But know this, and understand that there are people who think homosexual behavior is not normal, if they thought it was normal they wouldn't be trying to legislate against it in Montana.
I understand everything you said in your post.

Except that I don't understand why you think what a consenting adult does in private with another consenting adult is any of your business.

I also don't understand why you aren't supporting laws against a whole range of equally abnormal activities:

Married couples having sex more than once a day is abnormal.

Married couples having sex less than once a year is abnormal.

Using your left hand to write or throw a baseball is abnormal.

Following a diet that does not include meat or meat products is abnormal.

Fathers staying home to take care of their children while the mothers work is abnormal.

Not having a television is abnormal.

Get to work. I think you've got a heap o' legislatin' to do!
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Old 07-01-2010, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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I've read a lot of replies, and commented on countless threads about "gay rights" and/or "gay marriage".

I've come to two conclusions.

1. Anyone who has made up their mind, isn't going to change their mind.

and

2. All of the name calling from either side isn't going to change a damned thing.


Some people want to demonize people from the other side. Some calling those "lefties" or "gay lovers", others using words like "redneck" and others to try to belittle the other side as well.

Both of these positions are going to fail.

If you simply respond with FACT, and not conjecture, you are going to win your argument. The only argument that those who are against gay rights and gay marriage have are "It isn't natural" yet that is easily refutable with evidence from the scientific and medical community.

You aren't going to change the minds of those who believe that homosexuality is wrong. Their reasons are almost always religiously based, or is a deeply held view that was imprinted on them from childhood.

If I were you, I'd focus your attention on your state, and those who haven't made up their minds. Facts win out, its just that simple. It may not be today, it may not be next week, but sooner or later, facts win out.

My grandfather used to tell me that black people were "scarred" by God, as they were all the decedents of Cain, who killed his brother, so they were all killers. Yet, I had a black best friend growing up, and later meet many black people who made me realize that my Grandfathers views were wrong, and out of date.

I realized that arguing with him on matters like this, were at best a waste of time, and at worse, going to harm my relationship with a man that I love very much. So, I never debate race matters with him, and he doesn't debate them with me. I know he's wrong, and he thinks he is right, so be it.

Hate will die with those that hold it, and the truth will live on forever.

Just food for thought. Lets try to keep things at a level of friendly discourse, and if someone calls you a name, ignore it. Lashing out only serves to belittle yourself, and your argument. If someone calls you a "lefty gay lover", who cares. If you know you're right, then thats all that matters. When someone resorts to name calling, well, it doesn't do much for proving their argument now does it.
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Old 07-01-2010, 09:20 AM
 
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I understand everything you said in your post.

Except that I don't understand why you think what a consenting adult does in private with another consenting adult is any of your business.

I also don't understand why you aren't supporting laws against a whole range of equally abnormal activities:

Married couples having sex more than once a day is abnormal.

Married couples having sex less than once a year is abnormal.

Using your left hand to write or throw a baseball is abnormal.

Following a diet that does not include meat or meat products is abnormal.

Fathers staying home to take care of their children while the mothers work is abnormal.

Not having a television is abnormal.

Get to work. I think you've got a heap o' legislatin' to do!
Oh, no! I'm a left-handed vegetarian without a television, AND my husband and I made love twice yesterday!
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Old 07-01-2010, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Long Beach
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Oh, no! I'm a left-handed vegetarian without a television, AND my husband and I made love twice yesterday!
I guess you're going to jail then.
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Old 07-01-2010, 09:30 AM
 
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Looks like the conservatives (AKA behaviorial SOCIALISTS) are up to their old tricks.
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Old 07-01-2010, 09:34 AM
 
Location: California
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I think science should finally find out why there is homosexuality in the first place. If it is no personal choice but based on genes or biology in general (which is my opinion and if I am not mistaken more and more studies have already indicated that is the case), any steps such as criminalization would be as ridiculous as criminalizing blue eyes or intelligence.
Well they have looked into it but unlike the GOP "science" has more important things to do. It doesn't even matter if it's nature vs nuture vs choice...there is NOTHING to CRIMINALIZE.
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