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Old 07-02-2010, 03:04 PM
 
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So no mandated health care? But you're totally okay with a federal amendment banning same sex marriage? Where does the hypocrisy of the right end?
Bravo!
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Old 07-02-2010, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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Bravo!
An amendment is part of the constitution.

If they had an amendmend stating that "Everyone must wear pink speedos" then it's part of the constitution and a requirement.

You're comparing your hopes with amendments to the constitition?

An amendment on marriage would be the law of the land. The question is if it will pass or not. Once in, it's part of the constition, and constitutional.
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Old 07-02-2010, 03:09 PM
 
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actually it's the states that do that.
See, libs always confuse the federal and the state government.
If you don't like what the state government wants you to do
you're always free to leave that particular state.

If the federal government can make you buy health insurance
then potentially it can make you buy anything including an American flag.
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Old 07-02-2010, 03:11 PM
 
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In regards to same-sex marriage, it's not even tied in to the healthcare mandate. It's another strawman that can't prove a point because YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET MARRIED IN THE FIRST PLACE. just like with car insurance, you DON'T HAVE TO OWN A CAR
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Old 07-02-2010, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Sorry to see you are working poor and have swallowed the right-wing propaganda, hook, line, and sinker. People voting against their best interests because some millionaire promised them that if they wish really hard that someday the wealth will trickle down to them, are a part of the health care problem (and other problems) in this country.
Sounds like you've "swallowed the left-wing propaganda, hook, line, and sinker."

How about you live your life and I live mine?

Oh, wait, I've read your posts... That's the problem with you guys - you can't just live and let live... Always gotta be telling people that you don't know and could never understand what's "in their best interest," and if they disagree, just call them stupid, ignorant, racist rednecks and force it down their throat anyway at the barrel of a gun.

On the "working poor" comment, you have no idea what you're talking about, so you can take the faux sympathy you've intermingled with that elitist attitude and put it back in the place you pulled it from - someplace warm, moist, dark and smelly.
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Old 07-02-2010, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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In regards to same-sex marriage, it's not even tied in to the healthcare mandate. It's another strawman that can't prove a point because YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET MARRIED IN THE FIRST PLACE. just like with car insurance, you DON'T HAVE TO OWN A CAR
Also, they were comparing a law to an amendment. Completely wrong analogy. I realize some conservatives think an income tax isn't permissible, but it's been amended to the constitution. Once part of the constitution, it's part of it. So if there were a gay marriage ban, which I wouldn't support, it's the law of the land.
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Old 07-02-2010, 03:15 PM
 
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Again. Say, I'm a self-employed entrepreneur making $150K per year.
After all the expenses I have no cash to afford health insurance.
Am I going to be subsidized by the government or am I going to be fined or jailed?
Give me a break. Someone making 150K can easily afford a minimum catastrophic policy. People making way less than that can too. I sure don't want to be footing the bill for anyone's ER visits who makes 150K per year.
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Old 07-02-2010, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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Give me a break. Someone making 150K can easily afford a minimum catastrophic policy. People making way less than that can too. I sure don't want to be footing the bill for anyone's ER visits who makes 150K per year.
You're wrong. If you make 150k and live in Manhattan, you're probably dirt poor. To be able to buy insurance, you would have to move somewhere else, get roommates. Money isn't the same everywhere. how much do you spend on rent? I live outside of DC and pay $1448 a month for a 1 BR apartment, and that's INCREDIBLY cheap for my area.

Also, a person making 150k a year probably has an education. Which cost them money.

YOu could be better off not having attended college making 45k and living in Kansas City, than going to college and living in manhattan.
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Old 07-02-2010, 03:18 PM
 
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Give me a break. Someone making 150K can easily afford a minimum catastrophic policy. People making way less than that can too. I sure don't want to be footing the bill for anyone's ER visits who makes 150K per year.
Are you a liberal on welfare or poor? Sounds like you are. You have no idea how expensive it is to insure self-employed people including their family, and to provide health insurance for the employees (if any). And also what if you live in a high cost area like Los Angeles for example? What's 150k worth then? Not much. Oh and, do you realize that income tax for people making 150k is higher than others?
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Old 07-02-2010, 03:21 PM
 
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An amendment is part of the constitution.

If they had an amendmend stating that "Everyone must wear pink speedos" then it's part of the constitution and a requirement.

You're comparing your hopes with amendments to the constitition?

An amendment on marriage would be the law of the land. The question is if it will pass or not. Once in, it's part of the constition, and constitutional.
With my "bravo" comment, I was saluting more the spirit of the post. There is a huge difference in what we want for our brothers in this country. Say access to health insurance vs sticking noses into peoples choices in love, marriage, and the like.

And the first thing a true libertarian or right winger should want if they were faithful to their principles is to keep their dang noses out of other peoples' wombs!
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