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I personally believe that the reason Iran still stones women and we do not is because we have separation of church and state and Iran does not.
Religion, of any kind, is the underlying motive behind these cruel and inhumane punishments for perceived moral crimes.
Here is the difference:
The "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" incident is one of the most well-known lessons of the Bible. A woman, who had been caught in the act of adultery was brought to Jesus Christ by the scribes (see Lawyers) and Pharisees (see Who Were The Pharisees?) as a test to see if the Messiah was a liberal in matters of the Law of God. In response to their deceitful query, He didn't condemn the woman, not because He was a liberal, not because He condoned her sin, but because the men who brought the woman to Him were Hypocrites. He was the only person there that day who was free of sin, the only one who had the right to "cast the first stone." He didn't stone her (or her accusers), but instead forgave her and told her to "sin no more."
They have Islamic law. What do you expect? This is the future of Europe when Muslims outnumber Whites. I can't wait.
The US needs to go to war with Iran so they can send their White soldiers there to die which means more Mexicans will be needed to fill their places. Also as the US will be spread out, the UK will have to send more White soldiers to die in Afghanistan so they will need to import more Somali layabouts to fill their places.
Islamic law must be a reality in Western countries ASAP.
Whitey women must be stoned to death.
go gog gogogo
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A York county couple, originally from England, is about to be kicked out of the country.
For a decade, Dean and Laura frank built up "Laura's Kitchen," a small, but popular local restaurant in Wells, now shuttered and for sale.
That's because the "E-2" visa they'd legally had for years -- twice renewed with no problem-- was suddenly denied last year. The reason -- an immigration case worker in California reviewing their numbers declared their business "marginal," not profitable enough, even though they made enough to run the business, live virtually debt free and employ local people part-time.
They are now in the country on a temporary tourist visa, trying to wrap up their affairs and sell their properties -- while desperately hoping for an unexpected reprieve.
The message is clear. If you are White and productive, then GTFO of the US. Brown criminals that sponge off the state welcome only. Try and move to the UK if you are a White American and you'll get the same.
Anyway, you don't smuggle drugs in Thailand and you don't commit adultery in Iran. God, some people are stupid.
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By being Christian, this kind of thing would be prevented.
Woohoo, another reason to go to war with Iran. Let's forcibly convert them to Christianity.
What does anything you say about the US being to blame have to do with last year's Iranian uprising against the election of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, which I surmised is what your links are about?
If anything, we (our country) helped Ahmadinejad quelch the protesters by NOT having a POTUS with the balls to verbally support their cause. Countries all over harshly condemned MA and his actions during the protests (not to mention the rigged election), yet our ball-less wonder of a president couldn't articulate the words of support for them in their time of need. Now, the opportunity for them may have passed.
Liberal Laws of Logic:
1). Blame America first
2). Breathe, eat, sleep
Indeed.
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Why should a U.S. POTUS inject himself into a sovereign nation's election? Stupid freaking idea.
Why not? Influence of elections is done all the time.
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YOU made no point. Please, explain the point you were (failing at) attempting to make linking the Iranian uprising and the Blame America chant coming out of your mouth.
I never said we should bomb Iran or inject ourselves into their election politics. I DID say that the least the ball-less wonderboy Obama could have done is come out in support of the protesters, as heads of MANY other states all over the world did. The man simply. could. not. do. it. There were even protesters begging for American recognition of their plight, holding signs asking for American support (and no, that doesn't necessarily mean militarily, financially, or otherwise).
It's empty rhetoric when a country that speaks of human rights around the world, does not support them when the occasion arises. All they wanted was some verbal and moral support. We did not need to be involved otherwise, but the voicing of that support would have helped their cause.
"Iran got a seat on the United Nations Women’s Commission. The vote was by acclamation. That is to say: no one objected–including the U.S. delegation."
This is why I am against religion, of any kind! These evil and sadistic punishments for moral crimes all have roots in religion. Even the bible has countless accounts of stoning for perceived moral crimes.
You are absolutely correct!!! Most forget that their beloved Bible talks about treating women as if they are fleas on a dog. Just goes to show how ignorant and hypocritical people can be.
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I did not hijack the thread. I provided a valid link as to why there is a barbaric theocratic rule of law in Iran. You fail to see the connection? Not very insightful of you. Please show me where I blamed America for everything wrong in this world on this particular thread.
That's what I was wondering. (I've just got here) I read one of your articles:
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Passionate Uprisings in Iran – Inside Islam
This changing image is missing from mainstream news in the west but in fact, Mahdavi says, people in the west have a lot in common with this new generation that embraces individual freedoms.
If America is casting an influence on others it's because they are wanting it to begin with. This could work both ways. America can see other countries and see how they do things and adapt to those ways (healthcare) as well.
However, changing Irans laws to adapt to less critical change and cut out the stoning of women in adultery....that would be like getting an atheist to accept Christ as their Savior. It is likely to happen, but it takes time.
Anyway, regarding seperation of church and state: That works for us. But those Islamic laws are what seperate our societies. We have porn and gay parades and Iran doesn't. Most muslims don't like to live in societies that have wild liberal ways. That's why they don't integrate and despise us when they live with us. I like variety in the world. They can have their lawfully enforced morality in their countries and we can have our legally protected decadence in ours. Swamping our nations with muslims while insisting on equality for porn film producers and flamboyant gays is going to lead to mulitiple civil wars and this so clear that it is clearly deliberate.
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This is why I am against religion, of any kind! These evil and sadistic punishments for moral crimes all have roots in religion. Even the bible has countless accounts of stoning for perceived moral crimes.
"Those of you who have not sinned, cast the first stone," words from the Bible spoken by Christ.
Iranians do not need or want us to teach them about liberty and representative government. They have long embodied this struggle. It is we who need to be taught. It was Washington that orchestrated the 1953 coup to topple Iran’s democratically elected government, the first in the Middle East, and install the compliant shah in power. It was Washington that forced Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh, a man who cared as much for his country as he did for the rule of law and democracy, to spend the rest of his life under house arrest. We gave to the Iranian people the corrupt regime of the shah and his savage secret police and the primitive clerics that rose out of the swamp of the dictator’s Iran. Iranians know they once had a democracy until we took it away.
A lengthy but fascinating read, goes into great detail about the Iran-Iraq war and US relations with Saddam.
May seem off-topic but it helps explain some other reasons Iran hates us so much.
Oh...and people, don't go calling me an "America-hating-liberal" because I am none of those. I just think both sides should be presented.
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Most forget that their beloved Bible talks about treating women as if they are fleas on a dog. Just goes to show how ignorant and hypocritical people can be.
