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Old 07-06-2010, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Whatever keeps me alive and free will make me feel better.

I didn't agree with Desert Storm--but I did my duty. And when offered the chance to get out early, I took it!
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:10 AM
 
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Yup, you risk your life and security if you choose to be a true patriot and disobey questionable orders.

He was ot being a patriot . Seems to me he is on the wrong side . Glad they used him to get out the word that our military is wrong ' again '. Funny how you seldom here about the so called 'civilians ' running ammo and weapons back and forth to the enemy .
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Happy wherever I am - Florida now
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I read this article before and two things stood out to me, 1) he had recently been demoted, and 2) he then went looking for items he could release to the public.

It didn't seem to me that it was a case of something landing in his lap that he felt needed to be exposed as much as he was trying to get back at the slight to him.
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Whatever keeps me alive and free will make me feel better.
The Third Reich soldiers lived high on the hog until the Soviets surrounded them in May of 1945. Then, the whistleblowers and deserters had the last laugh. I'm not saying releasing the videotape was a good idea. I'm talking about firing on your own citizens, etc. Fragging your commanding officer is something I've heard many an enlisted person suggest they'd do if given such an order, of course they'd never say this publicly. Many officers will be utterly surprised on how quickly soldiers will dissent. Well, they'll be dead before they'd realize they're surprised but you get the idea.

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I didn't agree with Desert Storm--but I did my duty. And when offered the chance to get out early, I took it!
Congrats!
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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The whistleblowers and deserters were just as much a part of the Wehrmacht as everyone else.
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Old 07-06-2010, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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The whistleblowers and deserters were just as much a part of the Wehrmacht as everyone else.
Cite? My understanding from history was that people who deserted the Nazis to fight for the Soviets were not executed or imprisoned. This was even more the case if Westerners got a hold of a deserter.
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Old 07-06-2010, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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So, where is the footage of the "helicopter/drone" being attacked from the "terrists" on the ground ? I imagine that the people on the ground with cameras would be inside buildings, firing up at the whirlybird, and not milling about calmly. They don't even seem bothered by the thing above their heads. (some are saying it's a drone attack, but who knows ?) I am glad he released the video, and I hope another one comes out soon. Long live the whistleblowers.
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Old 07-06-2010, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Cite? My understanding from history was that people who deserted the Nazis to fight for the Soviets were not executed or imprisoned. This was even more the case if Westerners got a hold of a deserter.
History would tell you that the US government employed former Nazis--even ones who did not desert--in some capacity after World War II, for their supposed knowledge of the Soviet "menace".
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Old 07-06-2010, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Our dear Military is charging the private that leaked the video tape of the helicopter assault on civilians . Guess the government isnt so fond of whistle blowing, especially when it is their whistle being blown.

When a solider is given a bad command it is his duty to not comply. It is his duty to do the "right thing" as we discoursed at Nuremberg.

It was his duty to release this info. He did the right thing and I have no qualms about not supporting a government that wishes to prosecute him. This is intolerable, as was the behavior in that helicopter.


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I have written my support of this private, I urge others to do the same,

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I don't know where you served in the military but in the military you do exactly what you are told to do when you are told to do it and you do not question an officer's orders. Especially in a war zone. You do not get to question orders or determine which orders you will follow and which orders you will ignore.
As for this soldier, he will get his day in court and he may well beat the charge if it is determined that the actions that he exposed were illegal and if in fact he followed the chain of command with his complaint prior to going outside the military with it.
Did he take his complaint to his unit commander? To his commanding officer? If he did and they did nothing than he did no wrong in exposing wrong doing on the part of others in the military.
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Old 07-06-2010, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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I read this article before and two things stood out to me, 1) he had recently been demoted, and 2) he then went looking for items he could release to the public.

It didn't seem to me that it was a case of something landing in his lap that he felt needed to be exposed as much as he was trying to get back at the slight to him.
That will be determined in the trial.
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