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Old 07-06-2010, 09:09 PM
 
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Since the USA doesn't want to budge. Maybe gay couples can move to Canada? Or move to the marriage states like Iowa and New Hampshire.
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:17 PM
 
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Since the USA doesn't want to budge. Maybe gay couples can move to Canada? Or move to the marriage states like Iowa and New Hampshire.
I think we've passed the time when same-sex couples should have to move to another state just to enter a civil union together. All states should at least offer civil unions. The bright side to me is that I bet her veto will only galvanize same-sex civil union/marriage supporters in Hawaii even more.
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:20 PM
 
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I bet the quality of living is worth staying in Hawaii.

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I think we've passed the time when same-sex couples should have to move to another state just to enter a civil union together. All states should at least offer civil unions. The bright side to me is that I bet her veto will only galvanize same-sex civil union/marriage supporters in Hawaii even more.
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:26 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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Good. Marriage is a scared tradition, and it's a shame the government had to step in as of late to make decisions when it should have been left to church.

Please read the article before you post. The law was a "civil union" law, not marriage. The governor doesn't have much of a brain if she can't tell the difference. Several State courts have already ruled that a civil union does not carry the same rights as marriage.
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:32 PM
 
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Please read the article before you post. The law was a "civil union" law, not marriage. The governor doesn't have much of a brain if she can't tell the difference. Several State courts have already ruled that a civil union does not carry the same rights as marriage.
You read my post before replying.

Reread carefully. I said it's good. That means even civil unions shouldn't pass. Whatever you call it, it's still basically same-sex marriage.
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Quite pathetic. The bright side is Lingle is term limited and former Congressman Neal Abercrombie is pretty much certain to be the knew Governor and does favor this bill. So in the end, it basically gets delayed by 6 months to a year.
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:37 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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Since the USA doesn't want to budge. Maybe gay couples can move to Canada? Or move to the marriage states like Iowa and New Hampshire.
Gay people are AMERICANS too. Why should ANY American have to move where the laws are more hospitable? Freedom loving people of a supposedly "FREE COUNTRY" should never be put in that situation.
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Long Beach
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Good. Marriage is a scared tradition, and it's a shame the government had to step in as of late to make decisions when it should have been left to church.
Real sacred [sic]....when one in two ends in divorce....what do conservanuts think of that.
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:38 PM
 
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I don't know the governor's political philosophy, but Hawaii obviously came down on the blue side in the last presidential election. As far as the governor, could budgetary concerns be weighing heavily at this point? The legal definition of civil unions places more monetary obligations on the state or corporations based on what benefits are bestowed by either.

Everything has a price, and once you redefine societal ties, you inherently multiply costs. That being said, I don't normally argue budgetary dilemmas as often as moral ones. Laws typically reflect what is morally right for a society, and budgets are a secondary concern (although a very real concern).
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:40 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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You read my post before replying.

Reread carefully. I said it's good. That means even civil unions shouldn't pass. Whatever you call it, it's still basically same-sex marriage.
No. It is NOT. A civil union allows only rights in the State where issued. A marriage can transfer beyond State lines due to the Full Faith and Credit clause of the Constitution. Or does the Constitution mean anything to you? Too bad that mannish thing didn't have a brain to know the difference.
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