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Old 07-06-2010, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Long Beach
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why would the GOVERNMENT try to rule over RELIGION

maggiage is a religious thing

theses gays are only in it for the money, and greed...if they TRUELY loved the other person a piece of paper would NOT MATTER
Not everyone gets married in a religious context...but rather in front of a Justice of the Peace....that's how my aunt and uncle were married.

So I guess if you told them they weren't really married they'd be okay with that...? good luck convincing them.

And as for your last statment, what about the millions billions of straight couple...were they paid off to get married....do the women have to provide a dowery to the husband's family. Yup, thanks for this, I needed a good laugh before bed.
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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why would the GOVERNMENT try to rule over RELIGION

maggiage is a religious thing

theses gays are only in it for the money, and greed...if they TRUELY loved the other person a piece of paper would NOT MATTER
My marriage has nothing to do with religion.

I guess then you would be willing to accept the same terms, right? If you truly loved who you are with, a piece of paper would not matter.
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:44 PM
 
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Marriage is also a classification in civil marriage. By civil marriage I mean one granted by the states, not by the churches. Voting for a same sex classification of marriage that is the same as the heterosexual classification of marriage is not infringing upon rights of religious groups.

All civil marriage bills should not force religious institutions to modify marriage practices.

And in regards to Hawaii, there aren't any same sex civil unions at all. It is preferable to have same sex civil marriage of the same type (and with the same rights and responsibilities) as heterosexual marriage, but it is good to have same sex civil unions at minimum.

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Then they have civil unions in civil society, but I guess the governor, as quoted in that particular article, is just another name for same-sex marriage and killed it.

It's really ironic how people want to force religion to recognize same-sex marriages. If they want to be married, why use the church that openly discriminate homosexuality?

EDIT: And you just HAD to leave me a visitor's message with the same drivel? Really? Hilarious.
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:45 PM
 
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Quite pathetic. The bright side is Lingle is term limited and former Congressman Neal Abercrombie is pretty much certain to be the knew Governor and does favor this bill. So in the end, it basically gets delayed by 6 months to a year.

Abercrombie will be a shoe in, there is really no other candidate that is worth running against him. He has always had Hawaii and its people support and looks out for the best interest of the state.


Wish he had run sooner.
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Long Beach
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NO ONE has EVER been denied making a decision as long as they have a LEGAL POWER OF ATTOURNEY (sp?)

when I was deployed in Iraq...even my wife had to have a POA, otherwise she would NOT BE ALLOWED to make any decisions.....marriage means NOTHING
Actually there was a story out of California I believe last year. 2009, in which gay couples were in fact denied power of attornies in a hospital setting.

But here is an entire article on the topic. Please enlighten yourself.
For Same-Sex Couples, Equality in the Hospital - Well Blog - NYTimes.com

Oh if it means nothing, as you so eloquently put it, why not just give it to gay couples, so this, a presumably civilized nation, can put it all to rest and get on with the real matters of the day, such as the war you fought in.
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:50 PM
 
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Default Even though I don't have a problem with same sex unions

I'm always happy to see intolerant tax and ban liberals denied something they want.

Feels good don't it?
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Reread my post carefully, without scalding emotions.
Scalding emotions? LOL! You were preaching in another thread about freedom and liberty. Where is freedom or liberty when the government (or a church) says no, you cannot partner up with the one YOU choose. Please be consistent, Lariat.
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:56 PM
 
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No. It is NOT. A civil union allows only rights in the State where issued. A marriage can transfer beyond State lines due to the Full Faith and Credit clause of the Constitution. Or does the Constitution mean anything to you? Too bad that mannish thing didn't have a brain to know the difference.
I know about the Article IV, section 1. However, people hold little value to it. Other states have even ignored or denied it when it came to civil unions.
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Actually there was a story out of California I believe last year. 2009, in which gay couples were in fact denied power of attornies in a hospital setting.

But here is an entire article on the topic. Please enlighten yourself.
For Same-Sex Couples, Equality in the Hospital - Well Blog - NYTimes.com

Oh if it means nothing, as you so eloquently put it, why not just give it to gay couples, so this, a presumably civilized nation, can put it all to rest and get on with the real matters of the day, such as the war you fought in.
please enlighten yourself...with out PROOF that a person is who they SAY THEY ARE, (ie marriage) anyone could be DENIED...its not just a samesex thing....you show your biasedness

when my wife was just my fiance, we got pregnant..the insurnace would NOT cover becuase we were not married..it would cover the baby once she was born, but not my girlfriend.....see its not just a samesex thing.

the fact is that this is what the samesex thing is about....its is about money, insurance and benefits...and you cant DENY THAT.....if it was about love and romance and partnership...then a piece of paper would not matter



you ask "Oh if it means nothing, as you so eloquently put it, why not just give it to gay couples"...... i say ABOLISH all marriages and unions......do I need the government giving me a LICENSE to marry/unionize????? what is she a car????
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Scalding emotions? LOL! You were preaching in another thread about freedom and liberty. Where is freedom or liberty when the government (or a church) says no, you cannot partner up with the one YOU choose. Please be consistent, Lariat.
why should you NEED a LICIENSE to be with the one you love......are you going to 'hunt' or 'fish' or 'drive' your partner...you need licienses for that
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