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Old 07-06-2010, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Quite pathetic. The bright side is Lingle is term limited and former Congressman Neal Abercrombie is pretty much certain to be the knew Governor and does favor this bill. So in the end, it basically gets delayed by 6 months to a year.
I think the legislature will have to pass another bill no matter what the left thinks.
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:01 PM
 
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Scalding emotions? LOL! You were preaching in another thread about freedom and liberty. Where is freedom or liberty when the government (or a church) says no, you cannot partner up with the one YOU choose. Please be consistent, Lariat.
Grasping at straws, again.

It is in my liberty and my free choice to oppose this. You can understand this, can't you?

The government had no business interfering in church when it comes to traditional marriage. But when you bleeding hearts cried, they invertended and decided to pass or deny civil unions/gay marriages. That's a part of being free to make decisions. Once again, you can understand this, can't you?

Thanks for playing.
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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why should you NEED a LICIENSE to be with the one you love......are you going to 'hunt' or 'fish' or 'drive' your partner...you need licienses for that
True, brother/sister!
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:05 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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Grasping at straws, again.

It is in my liberty and my free choice to oppose this. You can understand this, can't you?

The government had no business interfering in church when it comes to traditional marriage. But when you bleeding hearts cried, they invertended and decided to pass or deny civil unions/gay marriages. That's a part of being free to make decisions. Once again, you can understand this, can't you?

Thanks for playing.
Marriage has never been exclusively betw the couple to be married and the church. If that were the case, then why bother going to the Cty to pay for a marriage license? The reason that I can think of is because hetros know that this gives them power, responsibility and benefits for their lives together. it gives them a foundation to build off of. Gays, lesbians and their families are denied that foundation to build off of.
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Here is a quote from a letter from one Framer to another Framer written in the late 1700s. Now he was saying what he thought about this topic and I think he would be very unpopular on this forum saying things like this. Read 'em and weep.

"The most important consequence of marriage is, that the husband and the wife become in law only one person... Upon this principle of union, almost all the other legal consequences of marriage depend. This principle, sublime and refined, deserves to be viewed and examined on every side." --James Wilson, Of the Natural Rights of Individuals, 1792
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Grasping at straws, again.

It is in my liberty and my free choice to oppose this. You can understand this, can't you?

The government had no business interfering in church when it comes to traditional marriage. But when you bleeding hearts cried, they invertended and decided to pass or deny civil unions/gay marriages. That's a part of being free to make decisions. Once again, you can understand this, can't you?

Thanks for playing.
So, it is your free choice to oppose what others do even though they're not hurting anyone. Or, are they hurting others. Hmmm?? You feel you're free to make (or help make) decisions for others.

BTW, me a bleeding heart, oh please. I hate government more than you do.
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Long Beach
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Here is a quote from a letter from one Framer to another Framer written in the late 1700s. Now he was saying what he thought about this topic and I think he would be very unpopular on this forum saying things like this. Read 'em and weep.

"The most important consequence of marriage is, that the husband and the wife become in law only one person... Upon this principle of union, almost all the other legal consequences of marriage depend. This principle, sublime and refined, deserves to be viewed and examined on every side." --James Wilson, Of the Natural Rights of Individuals, 1792

Too bad those ideas never made into the document, just like that stuff about us being a Christian nation.
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:13 PM
 
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Marriage has never been exclusively betw the couple to be married and the church. If that were the case, then why bother going to the Cty to pay for a marriage license? The reason that I can think of is because hetros know that this gives them power, responsibility and benefits for their lives together. it gives them a foundation to build off of. Gays, lesbians and their families are denied that foundation to build off of.
To prove you are indeed married when it comes to legality. You can be married if you didn't go to church or vice-versa. Do you know you can be married without a license, right? You'll just not be recognized by the law or be recognized as common-law marriage.

It takes a man and a woman to become a union. Nothing else. That's just the way it is.
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:13 PM
 
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I'm always happy to see intolerant tax and ban liberals denied something they want.

Feels good don't it?
No it doesn't DeForrest. You should be feeling bad too. But with a new governor who will get it, then you and I will be feeling good, right, right???

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Grasping at straws, again.

It is in my liberty and my free choice to oppose this. You can understand this, can't you?

The government had no business interfering in church when it comes to traditional marriage. But when you bleeding hearts cried, they invertended and decided to pass or deny civil unions/gay marriages. That's a part of being free to make decisions. Once again, you can understand this, can't you?

Thanks for playing.
No, while you have the constitutional right to oppose it, we have the right to not associate with you, to deny you invitations to events and parties, to speak ill of you behind your back, to ostracize you, and to make you feel like an outsider. The anti-homosexual group is becoming marginalized, and they know it.

Thanks for playing, and losing. The reasonable people win the argument.
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Long Beach
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I actually thought Hawaii already had civil unions...Anyway.
Thank the good lord for New England I say. Founded this nation back in the 1770s, and after 400 years, still providing civil rights to its citizens.
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