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Old 07-06-2010, 10:21 PM
 
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I don't know the governor's political philosophy, but Hawaii obviously came down on the blue side in the last presidential election. As far as the governor, could budgetary concerns be weighing heavily at this point? The legal definition of civil unions places more monetary obligations on the state or corporations based on what benefits are bestowed by either.

Everything has a price, and once you redefine societal ties, you inherently multiply costs. That being said, I don't normally argue budgetary dilemmas as often as moral ones. Laws typically reflect what is morally right for a society, and budgets are a secondary concern (although a very real concern).
Studies show that legalizing same-sex unions increases revenue for the state. And if Hawaii actually legalized same-sex marriage and made it available for out-of-state residents, there would be a huge increase in tourism from same-sex couples wanting to get married in Hawaii.
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:23 PM
 
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I'm always happy to see intolerant tax and ban liberals denied something they want.

Feels good don't it?
My encounters with many Republican/conservatives has often revealed an unfortunate attitude among them: "I've got mine - now F you!" They can be a nasty bunch.

It's ironic and hypocritical for conservatives to oppose something like civil unions. Not only is it not the same as marriage, it actually increases revenue for the state. I can only conclude that anyone who is against civil unions is simply an anti-gay bigot.
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Someone on this thread shouted out that civil union was all that was mentioned in that article and so I ran back and read it again. I found these words from Lingle and just wonder why this guy failed to see what she said. I go along with what she said here in that too often liberals say one thing and later try to make it out to be something else. You just can't trust them all the time.

"I have been open and consistent in my opposition to same-sex marriage, and find that House Bill 444 is essentially same sex marriage by another name."

Whoever it was that said that same sex marriage wasn't in the article should read the article again.
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Too bad those ideas never made into the document, just like that stuff about us being a Christian nation.
I would say that if the Constitution was written today it would be many more than just 2000 pages long because the old boys would be trying to cover every possible lawyer interpretation. We do have some laws being passed these days that are so long that nobody, even those who wrote parts and then put it all togeher, even reads the other parts.
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Long Beach
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Typical bitter Republican/conservative attitude: "I've got mine - now F you!" They're a nasty bunch.
I know right...touch their social security and medicare [neither of which is in fact constitutional] and other entitlement programs and they freak the 'F' out.
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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I think the legislature will have to pass another bill no matter what the left thinks.
Yes, the legislature would need to pass another bill, but considering it passed both the State Assembly and State Senate overwhelmingly that doesn't seem like it will be an issue.
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Long Beach
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I would say that if the Constitution was written today it would be many more than just 2000 pages long because the old boys would be trying to cover every possible lawyer interpretation. We do have some laws being passed these days that are so long that nobody, even those who wrote parts and then put it all togeher, even reads the other parts.

Is this a "junk shot" response?
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I know right...touch their social security and medicare [neither of which is in fact constitutional] and other entitlement programs and they freak the 'F' out.
I would love to see SS and medicare/medicaid abolished
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:36 PM
 
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I would say that if the Constitution was written today it would be many more than just 2000 pages long because the old boys would be trying to cover every possible lawyer interpretation. We do have some laws being passed these days that are so long that nobody, even those who wrote parts and then put it all togeher, even reads the other parts.
Roys: The constitution was written to provide guidelines and to protect freedoms, not to establish laws. The Texas Constitution tries to set up a bunch of laws, so it is very long and unwieldy. The U.S. Constitution knows its purpose, so it is clean and crisp.
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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Then why do straight people get married? if the TRULY loved the other person a piece of paper would NOT MATTER...
That's what I thought too .. but my wife won .. and here I am .. piece of paper and all.
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