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Old 07-07-2010, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Long Beach
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero View Post
actually the governor said it well: I can not be the person to decide this, and this should not be something a legislation should decide, I hope the state can VOTE ON IT , so we can have a VOTE OF THE PEOPLE


kudo's to the governor for doing the correct thing
It's called a cop out.

Why then do we elect politicians and form governments if not to make and pass laws? That is the point of a republic. The only time in the United States, the people have a DIRECT control over their laws is in the New England town meeting-the closest thing to an Athenian democracy. Other than that, we elect representatives to do these things. The will of the people spoke through their representatives in the Hawaiian State Legislature.
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Old 07-07-2010, 10:40 AM
 
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HaHa! Finally some good news.
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Old 07-07-2010, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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why should you NEED a LICIENSE to be with the one you love......are you going to 'hunt' or 'fish' or 'drive' your partner...you need licienses for that
Since all states have laws against bigamy and polygamy, the marriage license application is the form where you are declaring that you are not currently married to anyone and that the two of you are not closely related. When my late husband and I applied for the marriage license he had to indicate when, where and how his previous marriage had ended.

Last edited by MsMcQ LV; 07-07-2010 at 11:04 AM.. Reason: additional info
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Old 07-07-2010, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Grasping at straws, again.

It is in my liberty and my free choice to oppose this. You can understand this, can't you?

The government had no business interfering in church when it comes to traditional marriage. But when you bleeding hearts cried, they invertended and decided to pass or deny civil unions/gay marriages. That's a part of being free to make decisions. Once again, you can understand this, can't you?

Thanks for playing.
Could you point to any law, particularly in states that allow same sex marriage, that even attempts to tell the church what marriages they can or cannot perform? Or must perform? So why do so many churches get involved in telling the state what marriages the government can or cannot allow? No law in this country requires that a church be involved in anyone's marriage.
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Old 07-07-2010, 01:29 PM
 
Location: North America
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Hawaii governor vetoes same-sex civil unions bill - U.S. news - Life - msnbc.com

Unreal. And then we have certain conservatives and Republicans on this forum who repeatedly ask, "Why don't the gays just push for civil unions instead of trying to shove marriage down our throats?"

Disappointing, to say the least. Gay marriage is touted as a threat to marriage itself, now civil unions are not acceptable.

How freaking ironic.
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Old 07-07-2010, 01:36 PM
 
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What a coward the governor is...
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Old 07-07-2010, 02:26 PM
 
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What a coward the governor is...

yes she is
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Old 07-07-2010, 02:33 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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This Nov every single state should vote. Wait most has already but every single state vote at one time. People agree and accept whatever the citizens vote.
It's not very American to vote on which groups of citizens are entitled to rights and which aren't.
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Old 07-07-2010, 02:48 PM
 
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It's not very American to vote on which groups of citizens are entitled to rights and which aren't.
Exactly right.

What some people don't understand is that whenever you put minority rights and privileges to a vote, the majority will vote against them. This is why it's important to continue pushing the state legislatures on this issue, and taking it to court when necessary.
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Old 07-07-2010, 02:54 PM
 
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Disappointing, to say the least. Gay marriage is touted as a threat to marriage itself, now civil unions are not acceptable.

How freaking ironic.
Well, since the governor said that she believes civil unions are the same as marriage, then supporters of civil unions and same-sex marriage should just go all the way and push for marriage. We shouldn't allow elected officials to say on one hand that they favor civil unions, and then when given the opportunity to make them legal, change their mind and yank them away.
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