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Old 07-08-2010, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Seems the same people who cry out that our deficit is growing want Medicare to pay for Cadillac health care for people who will die soon in spite of hundreds of thousands of dollars spent to keep their dying bodies alive for a few extra days.

Yet they are against helping the poor, including children, who have a good chance of living much longer with help.
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Old 07-08-2010, 09:14 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Providing healthcare to the poor is "corrupt to the core?"
Read it again.

The system is corrupt.
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Old 07-08-2010, 09:15 AM
 
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Read it again.

The system is corrupt.
A system that provides healthcare to the poor is "corrupt to the core?"
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Old 07-08-2010, 09:16 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Seems the same people who cry out that our deficit is growing want Medicare to pay for Cadillac health care for people who will die soon in spite of hundreds of thousands of dollars spent to keep their dying bodies alive for a few extra days.

Yet they are against helping the poor, including children, who have a good chance of living much longer with help.
Who are you to say how long a person will live?
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Old 07-08-2010, 09:18 AM
 
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Seems the same people who cry out that our deficit is growing want Medicare to pay for Cadillac health care for people who will die soon in spite of hundreds of thousands of dollars spent to keep their dying bodies alive for a few extra days.

Yet they are against helping the poor, including children, who have a good chance of living much longer with help.
Seems you make a lot of assumptions. Seems you have something against geriatric health care.

Where has anyone been against helping children at the poverty level access healthcare? This is what Medicaid does already.

Sorry.....your argument is a false one.
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Old 07-08-2010, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Who are you to say how long a person will live?
A person who works in medicine and has seen ridiculous and expensive medical efforts done on an elderly person in multi-organ failure (the bodies way of dying) only to see the elderly person always die.

Almost always, it is the family who wants everything done for the 90 something year old who is demented, in a nursing home, unable to walk, talk, go to the bathroom, etc............

May I add that I have also seen tragic cases where young people, who could easily have been helped with medical care, die because they could not afford it themselves.

What is wrong with this picture. Healthcare rationing by ability to pay?
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Old 07-08-2010, 09:25 AM
 
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Oh noooooooo, Obama doesn't want to ration healthcare treatment! In a pig's eye he doesnt. Up and down we were talking TREATMENT and Obama was talking BENEFITS. The handwriting was on the wall. You all said we were nuts to say Obama would ration healthcare TREATMENT and target older people and now here he is, doing an end run around Congress, to appoint a pediatrician who is pro-rationing to oversee Medicare.

"In two decades as a professor of health policy and as a prolific writer, Dr. Berwick has championed the interests of patients and consumers. At the same time, he has spoken of the need to ration health care and cap spending, has supported efforts to “reduce the total supply of high-technology medical and surgical care” and has expressed great admiration for the British health care system.

Keep in mind the British have a TREATMENT formula for healthcare that is based on AGE and cost

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/07/he...s.html?_r=2&hp
That is definitely not right. It should be based on IQ and cost.
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Old 07-08-2010, 09:26 AM
 
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Seems you make a lot of assumptions. Seems you have something against geriatric health care.

Where has anyone been against helping children at the poverty level access healthcare? This is what Medicaid does already.

Sorry.....your argument is a false one.
I am glad you are for the public option! Perhaps we will get it soon so those unemployed will not die from lack of healthcare, the death panel of ability to pay.

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Old 07-08-2010, 09:27 AM
 
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That is definitely not right. It should be based on IQ and cost.
You correlate IQ with a person's age? Interesting.
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Old 07-08-2010, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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A system that provides healthcare to the poor is "corrupt to the core?"
The way it will be paid for is corrupt to the core. All those who work for employers who provide health care will have their taxes jacked up too much in January 2011 to pay for those "poor" as you want to call all of them. I will return with a bit about what I am telling you so you can see what is coming. Will you be one of those smacked in the butt?
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