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"Ukraine was particularly targeted". Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.
Genocide.
Stalin may have given the order at the top, but letting the Jews off the hook is like saying Nazis didn't kill Jews, it was all Hitler.
If Obama tells the Governator to murder ten million Americans and he does do, then Arnie is guilty of genocide as well.
Stalin did give the order. And his efforts against the Ukraine were so massive they could be considered a genocide. But the genocide was not Jews targeting non-Jews. It was Stalin targeting whom he considered to be political enemies. The people of the Ukraine were targeted because their opposition to Stalin's collectivization efforts was a POLITICAL threat to Stalin's authority. The people of the Ukraine were not targeted because of any ethnicity or religious factors. POLITICAL reasons.
WELL nice try but where talking about colonialism and taking others land based on them being inferior, do you think by any moment an european govt or people would allow another country to take over there country just because.and wait you left out all the wars europe was having before it became a well established empire thats no different the things going on are between africans themselves and probably sponsored by europeans,chinese etc towards one group vs the other the hutsis vs tutsis is a good example of belgian meddling.
the united states after colonialism and taking over lands were not being practiced took islands in asia if they could have cuba they would take that to
europeans came here to seek freedom, but they denied it to others
Funny story, when the Pilgrims came here and made friends with the Indians, this tribe convinced the Pilgrims to help them fight a rival tribe. They did and won. I always thought this was kind of ironic, it being said that we threw them off their land.
Funny story, when the Pilgrims came here and made friends with the Indians, this tribe convinced the Pilgrims to help them fight a rival tribe. They did and won. I always thought this was kind of ironic, it being said that we threw them off their land.
Once again. the N.A. had no concept of owning land. They only understood the rights to live off the land. So throwing them off "their" land is not true at all. It was merely denying them the rights to the benefits to live off the land.
You highlighted: This would include whether or not the men purporting freedom where simultaneously oppressing a race of people.
How does this suggest that I lay the blame for slavery at their feet? Instead, it supports my argument that any discussion about the FF's should include their status as slaveowners as it is in direct opposition to their fight for liberty, freedom, etc. So, sorry; you are wrong. I don't, and have not stated that I do, blame the FF's for slavery. I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy of those who were slaveowners.
If the topic of discussion is FF's, why is it necessary to bring up worldwide slavery? Should we also discuss the enslavement of blacks and non-blacks in other parts of the world? IMO, to bring up the fact the slavery existed elsewhere seems to let the FF's off the hook: "well, they did it....but so did these people!".
Perspective, plain and simple. History must be taught with the perspective and acknowledgement of the origin of the social and cultural norms of the time period being taught.
And yes, the language you use "purporting freedom while oppressing a race" indeed speaks for itself in laying the blame for slavery in the US at the feet of the Founding Father's.
You are backpeddling and inconsistent in your arguement and it is unraveling along with the credibilty of your stance, IMO.
Maybe it would also be interesting to know how those founding fathers treated their slaves. Generally speaking, the treatment of slaves varied quite a bit, some slaves were treated like family, others like dirt...
Sure, good treatment doesn't excuse slavery, from our modern perspective at least, but still...
Perspective, plain and simple. History must be taught with the perspective and acknowledgement of the origin of the social and cultural norms of the time period being taught.
I agree. However, when we're talking about teaching, it's important not to broaden a topic so much to the point that the original concepts, goals and learning objectives are lost. IMO, the discussion of FF's is specific and should address their lives, accomplishments, etc. It would even be beneficial to discuss, as someone suggested, their religion. But to discuss their status as slaveowners and then drag in how Africans were also slaves in Africa, etc is a bit much, IMO.
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And yes, the language you use "purporting freedom while oppressing a race" indeed speaks for itself in laying the blame for slavery in the US at the feet of the Founding Father's.
Sorry, no. No matter how much you repeat it, doesn't make it so. Is it really so hard to see how my statement is nothing more than my assertion that slaveholding FF's were hypocrites for denying the very freedom they left their homeland to enjoy?
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You are backpeddling and inconsistent in your arguement and it is unraveling along with the credibilty of your stance, IMO.
LOL; sure. Good thing it's only your opinion, because it's definitely not fact.
Do we excuse the blatant stealing of Native American land .
No one "stole" anyone's land. The European settlers merely prevented the Native Americans from the benefits of the land they lived upon. I am not justifying this but only pointing out that you are under a misconception when you think Native AMericans had any concept whasoever of land ownership and "private proeperty".
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