What's The Difference Between Patriotism and Nationalism? (soldiers, ideologies, leader)

[Visvaldis]

Aren't both similar? Possibly no difference at all?
Nationalism is often associated with xenophobia; ideological, political, racial, ethnic, and religious exclusivity; the desire to oppress those who are different; militarism; and go to war. Isn't patriotism the same?

[EinsteinsGhost]

Patriotism is when the leaders lead the soldiers to defend their land.
Nationalism is when leader order the soldiers to defend their personal and corporate interests, while they go about waving the flag as high as they can, while a boat load of puppets run around propagating the message and praise their masters.

[ovcatto]

Originally Posted by Visvaldis

Aren't both similar? Possibly no difference at all?
Nationalism is often associated with xenophobia; ideological, political, racial, ethnic, and religious exclusivity; the desire to oppress those who are different; militarism; and go to war. Isn't patriotism the same?

Example, Costa Rica hasn't had an armed force since 1948. Costa Ricans, to my knowledge, do not believe in the inherent superiority of Costa Rica or Costa Ricans (nationalism) but they do love their country and are proud of their country when it achieves some worthy goal (patriotism).

Merriam Webster:

Nationalism

1 : loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups

Patriotism

1. love for or devotion to one's country

[TomDot]

quote=ovcatto;14967741]Example, Costa Rica hasn't had an armed force since 1948. Costa Ricans, to my knowledge, do not believe in the inherent superiority of Costa Rica or Costa Ricans (nationalism) but they do love their country and are proud of their country when it achieves some worthy goal (patriotism).

Ticos definitely feel that they and their nation are far superior to those nations surrounding them.

[Visvaldis]

Originally Posted by ovcatto

Merriam Webster:

Nationalism

1 : loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups

Patriotism

1. love for or devotion to one's country

When analyzing the definitions one can see that they don't say very much, and can be interpreted by anyone as desired to promote their own ideologies.
Little changes like "nation' becomes 'country'.
So maybe there isn't much difference between patriotism and nationalism.

[SoEdible]

Originally Posted by Visvaldis

Aren't both similar? Possibly no difference at all?
Nationalism is often associated with xenophobia; ideological, political, racial, ethnic, and religious exclusivity; the desire to oppress those who are different; militarism; and go to war. Isn't patriotism the same?

I would say that patriotism is showing pride and support in your country on various occassions in which it is important to show support or it could be everyday, constant without a always-present negative view of other countries. I'd say that nationalism is a constant, almost obsessive view that your country is better than other countries, that your country needs to be protected from influence from other countries and it could have negative effects unlike positive effects of patriotism.

[Purger]

I define patriotism as loving your own country/people, and nationalism as hating other countries (and their people).

[Pappy&Me]

It's a trick question . If your patriotic you lose no matter what you say anyway .

[jetgraphics]

Originally Posted by ovcatto

Patriotism 1. love for or devotion to one's country

I find that definition to be an example of confused thinking.

Why?

How do you define "country" that you're loving or devoted to?
Does country mean:
1. The dirt (geography)
2. The government
3. The people

What do patriots love with devotion?
[] The dirt (my dirt, their dirt, whose dirt?)
[] The government (whoa - not likely - based on the partisan infighting)
[] The people (certainly not all the people, if you think about it)

Patriotism is a vague term used to encourage others to sacrifice themselves and their property, in support of "something" that they can't clearly define.

I prefer mutual defense of property rights (as in inalienable rights to life, liberty, property ownership). That's pretty clear and to the point.

I like governments that are formed of people who cooperate in securing the rights of the people.

I dislike governments that are formed of people who cooperate in stealing the rights of the people. They may call themselves "patriots", but I think they're "something else".