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Because when we go for medical/law schools we need top scores. We don't get a racial modifier. At the medical school where I know people on the admit board they routinely let in significantly lower scoring minority female applicants to increase racial diversity. We're talking 24MCAT and <3.0 SGPA.
Suffolk/Nassau PD give 10% bonus to minorities. 20,000 people tried to get 100 positions just to show you how good the jobs are. You basically need over 100% to get one. Normally that means you were ex-military or a lateral transfer cop... or you could just have a different skin color. Great way to select!
Because when we go for medical/law schools we need top scores. We don't get a racial modifier. At the medical school where I know people on the admit board they routinely let in significantly lower scoring minority female applicants to increase racial diversity. We're talking 24MCAT and <3.0 SGPA.
Suffolk/Nassau PD give 10% bonus to minorities. 20,000 people tried to get 100 positions just to show you how good the jobs are. You basically need over 100% to get one. Normally that means you were ex-military or a lateral transfer cop... or you could just have a different skin color. Great way to select!
Two quick examples.
Affirmative action in colleges is just one small piece of the whole pie. It's an attempt to balance things out (and not a very effective one if you ask me because in lowering the bar for minorities, it just raises the likelihood for majorities to make an association between the minority group and lower intelligence), but when looking at the whole picture, white (straight masculine Christian able-bodied middle-class/rich etc.) men still have the upper hand.
Affirmative action doesn't change the way people think either. People still have racist and sexist beliefs, whether they're conscious or unconscious. If anything, affirmative action gives people who have racist tendencies justification in their minds. I'd even go as far as to say Affirmative Action hurts more than it helps. After all, what good is a scholarship to Harvard if everyone just thinks you got in cause you're "a minority"?
I think people tend to assume that because there is no institutional label on nepotism and legacies, that everyone should then be naive enough to believe that ALL non minorities got into Harvard on their own merits either. The way these things work is that certain people get in based on who they know, which has historically speaking, been directly correlated to race, and others get in based on racial/gender norming, which is also directly based race. The only difference is that one form is a seemingly passive, and largely unspoken form of preferential treatment, and the latter is an overt and aggressive form of preferential treatment.
Last edited by solytaire; 08-01-2010 at 02:58 PM..
Because when we go for medical/law schools we need top scores. We don't get a racial modifier. At the medical school where I know people on the admit board they routinely let in significantly lower scoring minority female applicants to increase racial diversity. We're talking 24MCAT and <3.0 SGPA.
Suffolk/Nassau PD give 10% bonus to minorities. 20,000 people tried to get 100 positions just to show you how good the jobs are. You basically need over 100% to get one. Normally that means you were ex-military or a lateral transfer cop... or you could just have a different skin color. Great way to select!
Two quick examples.
Here we go again, more dumbing down of Ameica. If you don't have what it takes to make it as a doctor or a lawyer, then go into a field you are qualified for.
I think people tend to assume that because there is no institutional label on nepotism and legacies, that everyone should then be naive enough to believe that ALL non minorities got into Harvard on their own merits either. The way these things work is that certain people get in based on who they know, which has historically speaking, been directly correlated to race, and others get in based on racial/gender norming, which is also directly based race. The only difference is that one form is a seemingly passive, and largely unspoken form of preferential treatment, and the latter is an overt and aggressive form of preferential treatment.
Sorry to bust your bubble, but most people get in because they made the grade to do so!
Here we go again, more dumbing down of Ameica. If you don't have what it takes to make it as a doctor or a lawyer, then go into a field you are qualified for.
Then the same standard applies to all those being allowed in with lower qualifications, because of their race?
Me, I say if you can't do the job you don't get it. That applies to everyone, everywhere! I don't care if you were born with a purple stripe down your back..you want something, be like everyone else, fight for it, and earn it..
Sorry to bust your bubble, but most people get in because they made the grade to do so!
either way its only speculative...you declare that non minorities get in because they made the grade to do so, and others declare that minorities and women get in because they also made the grade to do so.
Besides, whats the problem with affirmative action if most people get in because they made the grade to do so anyway. Unless by "most people" you only meant non minority males...
Dont lose any sleep over bursting my bubble...it is well in tact..lol
Sorry to bust your bubble, but most people get in because they made the grade to do so!
That is a lie. So many people have gotten into Ivy League schools due to who their daddy is or what wing they donated it's not even funny. Every single person has used connections to get something in school or work at some point. Whoever claims they did it via "hard work" just didn't know who was pulling the strings for them.
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