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Old 06-28-2007, 08:45 AM
 
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What is the statistic; that the top 5% of the wage earners pay 80% of the taxes. . .
Perhaps you meant the top 25%, rather than the top 5%. Of course, their share of total taxes has been rising of late from the level it had reached in 2000. In fact the only such group whose share has been falling since then is the top 1%...
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Old 06-28-2007, 10:21 AM
 
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Perhaps you meant the top 25%, rather than the top 5%. Of course, their share of total taxes has been rising of late from the level it had reached in 2000. In fact the only such group whose share has been falling since then is the top 1%...
No, I did not mean the top 25. The top 50% of the wage earners pay 95% of the taxes. So the rest, 50% of the populace pay the remaining 5% of the taxes. And they use the bulk of the services.
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Old 06-28-2007, 10:40 AM
 
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No, I did not mean the top 25. The top 50% of the wage earners pay 95% of the taxes. So the rest, 50% of the populace pay the remaining 5% of the taxes. And they use the bulk of the services.
The bottom 50% does not use the bulk of the services. The upper class make their fortunes using the lower classes as labor. Government facilitates this arrangement. In reality, the upper class benefits from the mere presence of government far more than the lower classes. The redistribution of wealth is used to pacify the lower classes, in order to keep the upper class in power.

Perhaps you would prefer feudalism, where those in power would take armed action against the serfs. It's certainly preferable to the wealth redistribution we have today, don't you think?
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Old 06-28-2007, 11:03 AM
 
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The bottom 50% does not use the bulk of the services. The upper class make their fortunes using the lower classes as labor. Government facilitates this arrangement. In reality, the upper class benefits from the mere presence of government far more than the lower classes. The redistribution of wealth is used to pacify the lower classes, in order to keep the upper class in power.

Perhaps you would prefer feudalism, where those in power would take armed action against the serfs. It's certainly preferable to the wealth redistribution we have today, don't you think?
Nope. And I disagree with your assertion that the bottom 50% does not use the bulk of services. They are the ones receiving welfare, food stamps, emergency room services etc etc.

You would prefer feudalism to capitalism?
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Old 06-28-2007, 11:10 AM
 
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Nope. And I disagree with your assertion that the bottom 50% does not use the bulk of services. They are the ones receiving welfare, food stamps, emergency room services etc etc.

You would prefer feudalism to capitalism?
You think we have capitalism? Hah!

You only disagree because you refuse to look at underlying motives. You only take a skin-deep look at the issue. You refuse to see what the US has in common with all other societies in the history of this planet. It does take a superior mind to perform that level of analysis.

Those services are part of a social contract.
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Old 06-28-2007, 11:17 AM
 
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It does take a superior mind to perform that level of analysis.T
I suppose only those with your "group think" are capable of grasping these high-minded concepts?
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Old 06-28-2007, 11:31 AM
 
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I suppose only those with your "group think" are capable of grasping these high-minded concepts?
Actually, it's quite the opposite. Groupthink leads people toward stereotypes like "poor people are just lazy".

Almost everyone is capable of having a superior mind. The problem is, most people never develop theirs.
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Old 06-28-2007, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The upper classes use government to protect their wealth and should pay for that government. All the "poor" together have not benefited from government as much as Gates has for the government's protection of his monopoly practices. Then you add the direct government contractors like Custer-Battles and Halliburton and the amounts get positively absurd.

I think the lowest 4 quintiles (80%) should be excused from Federal and State income taxes. That would let us spend that money on increasing our wealth not the wealth of the already wealthy.

Incidentally the feudal lords rarely attacked their own peasants. They needed them to support their armies they used to attack the neighbor’s peasants.
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Old 06-28-2007, 11:52 AM
 
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Incidentally the feudal lords rarely attacked their own peasants. They needed them to support their armies they used to attack the neighbor’s peasants.
Oh, I know they didn't make a habit of it. They did quell rebellions, though.
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:18 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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The bottom 50% does not use the bulk of the services. :
Poor people have access to government funded housing, government funded health clinics, government food stamps, schools, free school lunch for the poor kids and many more government funded programs that rich people don't need. All those programs ad up the dollar signs really fast.
Some people spent their entire lives strictly living off government money, some of them are just lazy, some of them do need help because of severe health problems.

It is very easy for me to believe the bottom 50% uses most of the services.
I am ashamed to admit it but I have used several of these services in the past, and government dollars are easy to get if you have a small pay check.
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