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Old 07-13-2010, 10:52 AM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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Ahh.. and then we get to the anti-intellectualism. Harvard = Bad. America's top institution of higher learning falsely and unnecessarily assaulted.

The assertion here that some type of "common sense" (which tends to be defined as :what right wingers think") that comes from NOT attending a top institution is far superior to intellect that has been honed at top schools.

More agenda based, false criticism to self-satisfy the masses-- some of whom are envious of people with the means and brains to attend Harvard and the like-- some of whom are ignorant of the difference between a Harvard education and an HVAC associates at the local community college -- and some of whom who identify the quality of a university with the success of its football team.

I wish I could have gone to Harvard. But it was a top-tier state institution for me. I don't begrudge those who did, however.

Do you attempt to select a physician who is a community college drop-out, or would prefer the one who went to Harvard?
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:56 AM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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Yep, we know some of his history up to finishing of high school from the pen of Bill Ayers as his ghost writer and very little less after high school. Has he proved that he attended any of the colleges people talk about? What kind of records have been used for that proof.

We know that he was a very successful organizer in Chicago and that he represented ACORN as a lawyer and in training their people. We know he traveled for a year to Pakistan in 1981 but not what nation's passport he traveled on. We do know that he was the farthest left voter in the Senate, when he even voted.

We don't know anything about his life other than what he and Bill told us and yet you talk about knowing all about his early life.
Thanks for illustrating my point about undermining the Presidency yet again!

Bill Ayers= a total non-issue. Obama served on a community advisement board with Ayers years ago. There is no record of contact with Ayers since. This has nothing to do with Obama's performance, yet, it is another piece of subterfuge.

ACORN, which has now been cleared of any wrong doing-- a favorite boogey man of talk radio and Fox, but again, a total non-issue when it comes to reality and REAL criticism that is based in fact.

Year in Pakistan? so what? I guess we're going to go conspiracy theory with this one. I've been to Pakistan too. Somehow, I've remained Jewish. Again, a non-issue.

Undermine. Undermine. Undermine. Gin up anger over things that aren't even real!
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I am suggesting that there are 100 legitimate criticisms you could make of Obama. However, the ones that keep getting mentioned in this venue are based on myth, hysteria and outright lies.

How many references do you see on here a day to Obama being a communist or socialist (incorrectly used interchangeably) which is an outright falsehood? How many references do you see a day on here to his failure to take leadership and make real progress in the area of environmental protection (a completely legitimate criticism)?

I would guess for every post criticizing Obama for capitulating on health care and failing to deliver a single payer system or even a ton of forward progress (legitimate) I see 10 screaming that he is a secret Muslim.

For every post laying blame on Obama for not getting us out of Iraq more quickly (legitimate) I see 15 screaming that Obama is "arrogant..."

I bet we could get a lot more done if we kept our eyes on the ball...
I think as more and more becomes apparent about Obamacare you will see that they provided more possibilities for Single Payer than you know. How big will the IRS have to be once all small business people have to turn in all those 1099 forms so those who got to keep their insurance because they liked it? Millions of 1099s will be added to those that are really called for. Just think the IRS gets to help enforce the move to government health insurance and people didn't get to see it coming till just recently.

Obama should have made himself aware of what Harry Reid and the union bosses worked out in Reid's office last spring and every Democrat in the Senate voted for without reading. Not one Republican can be blamed for that tragedy of a bill but once we find out what Nancy Pelose really meant when she mentioned passing it to learn what is in it since not one Senator from that side of the aisle voted for it. Yes, the Chosen One, should have had someone read that one, all 2500+ pages he should have known about.
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:59 AM
 
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Ahh.. and then we get to the anti-intellectualism. Harvard = Bad. America's top institution of higher learning falsely and unnecessarily assaulted.

The assertion here that some type of "common sense" (which tends to be defined as :what right wingers think") that comes from NOT attending a top institution is far superior to intellect that has been honed at top schools.

More agenda based, false criticism to self-satisfy the masses-- some of whom are envious of people with the means and brains to attend Harvard and the like-- some of whom are ignorant of the difference between a Harvard education and an HVAC associates at the local community college -- and some of whom who identify the quality of a university with the success of its football team.

I wish I could have gone to Harvard. But it was a top-tier state institution for me. I don't begrudge those who did, however.

Do you attempt to select a physician who is a community college drop-out, or would prefer the one who went to Harvard?
I don't think this is attack on Harvard and other top institutions but perhaps a legitimate analysis of the Law School products?

BTW, top institutions often are capable of producing quite successful football teams, which goes to show that you have undergraduate programs in mind exclusively. And (surprise!) top college football players are often intelligent and capable human beings.
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Old 07-13-2010, 11:00 AM
 
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If you are still employed the stimulus worked for you. Without it we would all be on the unemployment line.
Proof, please?
Solid proof.
Not just your assumptions, please.
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Old 07-13-2010, 11:03 AM
 
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Yes, a law degree from the most competitive law school in the country means your smart. Where did you go to school?

Again, there are legitimate concerns and criticisms and there is undermining of the President. If Harvard law school is not good enough for you, perhaps your standards are a tad high.
I know a Harvard law school grad who couldn't pass the Maine bar exam after three tries. Harvard isn't all it's cracked up to be. At one time, maybe, but not now.
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Old 07-13-2010, 11:07 AM
 
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Well written, yet another relatively fact free criticism. Another example of undermining over substance, I'm afraid.

His ideology is pretty much 85-90% in line with mine-- and I am a pretty main-stream successful small business owner. I am far from poor and far from ultra-wealthy. I work hard, and CARE about the welfare of my fellow Americans.

The above is an example of the amount of distortion that's out there-- enough to lead one to believe that we have a president who "hates" his own country. Distortion that says one of Obama's few achievements -- his stabilization and improvements in relations with other countries (well aided by Hillary Clinton (perhaps the best Secretary of State in recent memory) -- is a failure.

I see very little in the way of legitimate criticism in your post. Sorry.
Your words betray you, and show you as you are - a leftist statist with not factx whatsoever - just mindless criticism of those in the know.
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Old 07-13-2010, 11:13 AM
 
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I don't see any proof unless youre a teacher or governamnt ewmployeee. The public sector spending that was to porvide thsoe infrastrcture jobs was even compared by CNN as eqaul to the Boston Big Digs project fopr the entire country. What it mostly added up to was paying for jobs in governamnt already in palce and the large per cenatage went to keepin gteahcers employed at present salary levels rathet than their facing vuts. the private sector jobs are pretty much nell. That is the porblem with not tyng the TARP and Stimulus fuds to directed spending and leavig it to administrtion. The TARP funds where sold to congress as for bailin out teh banks and the second half to homeowner assitance. The stimuls was sold as a massive infrastructure bill that would creat masive numberw of jobs to keep unemplelnt below 8%. Then the second half of TARP and the stimulsu became sluch funds for specail interest like auto union;teachers unions and othe government entities.Its funny that tresaury recently announced that the entire amount spent on banks as been recover already with the principla plus interest paid. That was the mosy critised part too.Noe democrats want to go more into deficit spoensding rather tha spent some of teh remaining stimulus funds to apy for unemployemnt. They alos want to keep some of paybacks from TARP as a further slush fund instead of it all going back to pay for the defcit as promised.Remid anyone fo what many did with the eqaity on their hopuses that so many spent as fast as they gained it.
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Old 07-13-2010, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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that is patently absurd, ridiculous, laughable and disingenuous, not to mention credibility-destroying.
But that is what THEY are told by their leaders.
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Old 07-13-2010, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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He had support for what folks THOUGHT WAS HIS AGENDA.

Folks thought they were getting an FDR but instead we are getting Bush part III.

No one knew the debt he owed to big business for getting elected--------------You all saw McCain sell his sould too. McCain of 2000 was man to respect McCain of 2008 was an @$s clown. All the deals with the devil you have to make to get elected wear on a person.
Can you list some of the big business people he "owed" so much? Would George Soros be on your list? I ask you these questions because I don't know who is really pulling his strings any more than anyone else. However, I sure do believe that Soros is very heavily involved. Remember the part that Moveon.org had on his election? I do and I know that Soros was at the bottom of that group.
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