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View Poll Results: Do you agree with comparing President Obama to Adolf Hitler?
Yes 23 24.73%
No 68 73.12%
Not sure 2 2.15%
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Old 07-14-2010, 02:15 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Hitler...
1- Hated communism (he saw everything he didn't agree with as communism, including the Jews).
2- Hated homosexuals
3- Hated Jews (largely because of him embracing Martin Luther's doctrines)
4- Emphasized on Christianity as the national religion
5- Hated workers' unions
6- Touted his military experience
7- He saw world and people in black and white... "Good" versus "Evil". There was little to not gray area (middle ground).
8- Operated on ultra nationalism

He was pretty consistent on these for over a decade before taking office, and after as well.


"It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity," he said in 1933, "because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood." His countrymen would have to choose: "One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both."

Dave Shiflett on Hitler and Christianity on National Review Online (http://old.nationalreview.com/shiflett/shiflett012102.shtml - broken link)
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Old 07-14-2010, 05:44 AM
 
Location: Zürich, Schweiz
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"It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity," he said in 1933, "because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood." His countrymen would have to choose: "One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both."

Dave Shiflett on Hitler and Christianity on National Review Online (http://old.nationalreview.com/shiflett/shiflett012102.shtml - broken link)

The question of Hitler's religion is a complex one and not yet satisfactorily researched.

There are indicators that Hitler concocted a crude mix of esoteric northern beliefs, aspects of buddhism and the judeo-christian messianic principle to create a new blend of state religion with him as the chosen messiah.

Furthermore, there are possible indicators that Hitler, while counting on the support/lack of resistance of the catholic church in his plans to exterminate the jews, planned a second wave of murders to get rid of the catholic hierarchy.

Thus he would have been able to reap some of catholicisms religious tenets for his own new national religion, and be rid of a social and religious hierarchical structure that wasn't entirely under his control.

In my view (and it has to personal as no conclusive scientific research has been done on the subject), Hitler used the christian faith to control parts of Germany's poulation and get their consent in terminating the jews, but never thought to install it as the predominant religion of the state, but rather bided his time until he could create his own messianic state cult.

btw, I'm an atheist, and not here to defend christianity, but to comment that the idea of Hitler as a christian is a flawed one such as it is.
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Old 07-14-2010, 05:52 AM
 
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Iowa Tea Party group's sign links Obama, Hitler - Politics - Decision 2010 - msnbc.com

I think you'd have to be a deranged fool in order to make this comparison.
I think someone would have to be a deranged fool to still support this clown.

Barack the Black Hitler « America Vs. Obama

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2009/08/07/ObamaJoker.jpg (broken link)
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Old 07-14-2010, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Zürich, Schweiz
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Oh, and:

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1. Hitler was a socialist. He hated "Bolshevics" but strongly supported national socialism. Obama, like Hitler, is a socialist.

is simply not true.


To deduce from the denomination of Hitler's party the actual politics and ideology that they supported is a fallacy.

- is the Democratic Republic of Congo a democratic republic?

- is the Democratic People's Republic of Corea a democratic republic?

- is the Union of Myanmar a union of its indigenous people?

etc.

Hitlers national socialism had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the principles of socialism. If you really are as blessed with a high IQ and a thorough knowledge of the Weimarer Republik and the rise of the NSDAP as you claim, you should know that.

Please stick the historical facts, there are plenty of other opportunities to attack and denounce Obama, some of them surely justified. But this one simply doesn't hold any water.
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Old 07-14-2010, 06:03 AM
 
Location: lake zurich, il
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I think someone would have to be a deranged fool to still support this clown.

Barack the Black Hitler « America Vs. Obama
I find it funny that this BLOG'S subtitle is "Americans of all kinds coming together to stop the new disciple of Karl Marx." and then they article is "Barack the black Hitler." Apparently this blogger has a hard time telling the difference between the two.
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Old 07-14-2010, 06:16 AM
 
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I find it funny that this BLOG'S subtitle is "Americans of all kinds coming together to stop the new disciple of Karl Marx." and then they article is "Barack the black Hitler." Apparently this blogger has a hard time telling the difference between the two.
Here is another one:

NYTimes: Obama's Economic Ideas Great... Just Like Hitler's Were? | NewsBusters.org
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Old 07-14-2010, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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Instead of deflecting the question and using distractions, perhaps you can answer it: Do you agree with comparing Obama to Hitler? Is it a valid comparison to you?

The poster is only doing what libs do constantly, which is to deflect and obfuscate. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

On the topic. It's not accurate and shouldn't have been done to Bush either, but it shows the level of frustration people in this country have over Obama and his idiotic policies.
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Old 07-14-2010, 06:26 AM
 
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Until some President wants to put millions of a group of people in ovens and torture them, NO President should be compared to Hitler. Period. I strongly condemn anyone doing this. I dont care what "similarities" there are between their politics. Comparisons to Hitler, should only be used for the most evil, vile beings imaginable that wish to exterminate millions of men/women/children.
Obama is using division to do the same thing .

Obama is against the friends of America . He defedns the enemeis within who completely efuse to assimulate , the illegasl who threaten to take back atzlan, the muslim who are threatening to submit us to islam .

Defends the racisrt groups and terrroist, Ayers, Rev. Wright, black panthers and racist ' the race ' laraza .

It seems and looks like is plan is to make us kill each other off , divide and conquor .
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Old 07-14-2010, 07:23 AM
 
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1. Hitler's idea of socialism is trumpeted by neo nazis here in America, and trust me, they wouldn't agree with you that Obama is one. They might see you as having more in common with them than with Obama. National socialism is not what you think it is. But then, you didn't really say Hitler didn't hate communists, because he did. Communists were actually the first to be put in Nazi concentration camps.

2. Wrong. The German anti-homosexuality law was greatly expanded by the Nazis. I don't know where you get the idea but gays were rounded into prisons and concentration camps where they were identified with pink triangles. Now, many Nazis may have been gay but they preferred to stay in the closet (and not unlike many vocal "conservatives" who have been caught).

3. If you see Israel is Jews and Jews is Israel, there is a problem. Many Jews not just disagree with Israeli policies and actions, they are disgusted. There's a reason Jew populace (including ALL friends of mine) are very liberal. Zionists, however, tend to be conservative. Zionists tend to marginalize Jews who oppose their views on a Jewish state and at the cost of Palestinians. There is certainly a lot more than what you have seen. Do Jews who don't agree with Israel hate Jews? Answer that.

4. Wrong. Hitler wanted Christian education in school. He was anti-secularism. Consider this piece of his speech on the subject:
"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith ...we need believing people"

I can provide many many more illustrations of him associating with the churches, and promoting Christianity.

5. Well, if you think Obama was in charge while economy was getting destroyed, there is no debating with you on the subject. But going back to Hitler, glad you understand anti-union sentiments that Hitler and the Nazi party in general held.

6. Hitler was a war veteran, a hero. And he used it to his advantage. Nothing in common with Obama.

7. Enemy of your enemy is your friend. It is not a new concept in wars. Do you not get that? Let me expand on that. Even many militant Indians joined Hitler (and the Japanese) because they were fighting the British. Hitler led the war not because he wanted a war, he wanted a world of supremacy for a race that he believed in. All others were sub-human, and that is a fact (the Indians quit helping him when they realized that).

8. Ultra-internationalism is not something Hitler could operate on. Ultra-nationalism was it. I find that as something common between him and those who hate Obama.

1. See National Socialist Workers Party. Hitler was a greenie as well, just like Obama (gee, he goofed a little in the Gulf). Radical environmentalism and socialism has always been the cornerstone for extremists, such as Hitler and Obama. On one point you are right, despite being a socialist, Hitler put communists in the death camps, while Obama puts them in the Oval Office.

2. Wrong. The Third Reich was riddled with gays. Again, Earnst Rhoem, who was the head of the SA, was an overt flamer. Many of the elite in the Third Reich were gays and Hitler turned a blind eye. Kind of like don't ask, don't tell. Hitler was not personally fond of gays, but his government was full of them.

Homosexuality in Nazi Germany - Conservapedia

http://hubpages.com/hub/Ernst-Rohm-The-Gay-Nazi

3. Right. Let's see............ Obama skips the Memorial Day Celebration to spend time at a bar-b-que- with the Nation of Islam. Obama drops charges of disrupting elections against the Black Panthers. Obama was educated in his youth in a madrassa.

Ask Ed Koch and Chuck Schumer what they think about Obama's attitude toward Jews. He has the same sentiments as Hitler, but just does not have the muscle to implement the policies that Hitler did.

4. Hitler was a catholic in name only. Like Obama, he used Christianity as a propaganda prop and was never a practicing Catholic. Like Obama, who faked being a Christian for political purposes, Hitler used religion as a political tool. Here is what hitler says about religion, which is very similiar to Obama's views and those of his supporters-

‘ … organized lie [that] must be smashed. The State must remain the absolute master. When I was younger, I thought it was necessary to set about [destroying religion] … with dynamite. I’ve since realized there’s room for a little subtlety …. The final state must be … in St. Peter’s Chair, a senile officiant; facing him a few sinister old women … The young and healthy are on our side … it’s impossible to eternally hold humanity in bondage and lies …. [It] was only between the sixth and eighth centuries that Christianity was imposed upon our peoples …. Our peoples had previously succeeded in living all right without this religion. I have six divisions of SS men absolutely indifferent in matters of religion. It doesn’t prevent them from going to their death with serenity in their souls.’

5. Yes, Hitler was anti-union. Again, that is probably why he developed a strong economy and Obama and the democrats have not. The economy was very strong with low unemployment until the democratic congress gained power. Then, in a year and a half, they brought the nation to its knees and it has stayed there. As long as there is a democratic congress in charge of spending, there will be economic misery. Obama and his gang have obligations to the unions, the trial lawyers association, and the environmentalists- all these "obligations" are job killers.

6. Hitler was a vet. He was awarded the Iron Cross First Class. However, he feared and depised the military, just like Obama. Given this, Hitler created his private army, the SS, to balance the power of the Wehrmacht, just as Obama desires to create his own private civilian army. All tyrants fear the standing army of thier own nation, as it is the only force which could effectively remove them. Obama is no different from Hitler in this regard.

http://valkyrie-plot.com/1938.html

http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan..._attempts.html

7. Hey- you are the one who said Hitler "saw the world in black and white". I am glad you disagree with yourself now. Like Hitler, Obama is a shameless opportunist.

8. Ultra internationalism and nationalism are simply different sides of the same coin. It is a political tool designed to rally support around false loyalty in an effort to secure power. It is a propaganda tool that is designed for the benefit of the tyrant, not the presumed idealogy.



I am glad that you can see the similarities. They go WAY beyond that...............

1. youth indoctrination
2. radical environmentalism
3. class warfare
4. villifying the rich
5. wealth redistribution
6. seeking scapegoats rather than personal responsibility
7. graphic art
8. seeking a private army
9. appointment of czars outside the reach of congress
10. using thugs to break up oppostion rallies
11. attempting to silence opposition media

Hitler and Obama are VERY similar. Let's hope we can get rid of OUR HITLER and not suffer the same fate as Germany.

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Old 07-14-2010, 07:26 AM
 
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No.
Hitler actually united Germany....At first.
Obama has only served to divide.

They do however share one thing in common. The "Oh ****, what have I done" reaction from those who voted for him.
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