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Raul's wife admits that they had another location 12 blocks away where they could build, but they wanted this one because it is larger and would allow them to do more.
Sounds like a perfectly reasonable explanation. If one believes it.
I hope they build at their property 12 blocks away. She said, however, that this is a defining moment for them and they will not compromise by changing the location.
I don't know in what way this is a "defining moment" for Muslims. I wish she had said more.
She said enough ... sadly, not enough people have the intellectual capacity to discern what is being said, because they don't even realize or understand what Islam actually is. Islam knows what it is .... it's "religious" leaders know what it is ... it's most outspoken and extreme followers know what it is, but few outsiders have a clue, because they've been conditioned with deceptive propaganda that masks the basic nature of Islam, and it's core agenda.
The first and greatest deception lies in defining Islam as a "religion". Islam IS NOT A RELIGION. Islam is a supranational system of government that includes systems of religion, finance, and law that are based on the Quran and it's laws .... greatly transcending that of the various other "religions" for which US constitutional protections apply. This is at the heart of the issue, and the element most misunderstood and mischaracterized.
The plain, unvarnished truth is that Islam, by it's own fundamental nature is TOTALLY INCOMPATIBLE with western civilization, and particularly so with regard to the United States of America ... and Islam understands this all too well. Sadly, a very large portion of America does not.
What you have is a very obvious and direct conflict between the core principles of Islam and America's constitutional republic. And Islam is using the freedoms for which it totally rejects as a means to achieve their goal of eliminating those freedoms by stealth and subversion.
Islam has no intention of assimilating or allowing itself to be "westernized" or conforming to the laws and societal structures and tenants of it's host countries. It's goal is to transform those host countries into Islamic States, incrementally, and deceptively. And in EVERY SINGLE CASE in which Muslims become the majority of a population, an Islamic state is formed, and it's population subjugated under tyrannical Islamic rule ... EVERY SINGLE ONE.
The very idea of "moderate" forms of Islam is the greatest of the deceptions. This moderation only exists when Islam is a minority, and such moderation is simply a means to coexist with the population they intend to dominate and replace as their numbers achieve a majority. Upon achieving a majority, or at least sufficient political power to effect changes, the need for such tempered behavior begins to subside, and Islam's true face begins to emerge.
When examined in the proper context, Imam Rauf's wife's statement "this is a defining moment and they will not compromise by changing the location" becomes more clear, and exposes their agenda. And this refusal to "compromise" is endemic to Islamic fundamentalism, and belies their true intentions for which the Imam has claimed is an "effort to build bridges between the Islamic and Christian worlds". If such intentions were sincere, the Imam and those financing this "project" would not behave so insensitively toward the majority of New Yorkers who object to the location of this complex. The "defining moment" she referenced is in fact the "symbology" of this place of worship being built so near to the destruction of the Trade Towers, which in themselves was "symbolic" of western power to which Islam abhors and views as the Great Satan. OF COURSE the moderates (the minority) won't openly state this, as such an admission would obviously be counter productive to the agenda. You don't tell a majority that YOU as a minority intend to radically transform their culture and replace it with your own.
In other words, this complex is a symbolic announcement to the Islamic world that true progress is being made in changing the face of the "great Satan", who's time is just about up. Be patient brothers and sisters, for we shall conquer America in due time, and cleanse the earth of this affront to God, one step at a time.
You need not believe in such symbology and mysticism yourself to recognize that others do, and it is the characteristic of religions in general to embrace mysticism and symbology. The symbology associated with the very attacks occurring on September 11, or 911 is IMPOSSIBLE to miss, just as one of the plains used was "Flight 11" .... 11 being symbolic of the two Towers themselves standing side by side, and the more obvious symbology of 911 being the universal number used by Americans in a call for emergency assistance. Does anyone actually think that all of this is a mere coincidence? Really? How blind can you be? Such blindness is self delusion, and nothing more.
Islam is STEEPED in symbology ... requiring very strict adherence to symbolic behaviors of it's "subjects" ... from how a woman must be covered in public ... to the prohibition of men shaving their beards ... to the prayer times each day ... to the method of bowing with head down pointing toward Mecca, Islam's spiritual place of birth ... to the symbology associated with martyrdom and the sensual pleasures of 72 virgins awaiting in paradise. The list is endless.
And like most self serving philosophies, overt hypocrisy is no stranger, as exemplified by the promise of 72 virgins upon death which seemingly conflicts with a faith so hostile toward human sexuality and it's insistence on abstinence and "virtuous" behavior while alive on earth. Apparently, the Islamic holy men insist that their followers abide strict rules here ... and their subservience will be rewarded with much pleasure up there! How convenient .... for the rulers. So virtuous behavior itself is not really the the goal, it is simply a sin to refuse to postpone sinful behavior until you die and go to paradise, where all bets are off, and you are free to abandon virtue altogether.
Now if one were to desire a clear picture of Islamic rule, one need only observe the society in Saudi Arabia, the spiritual home of Islam, and a shining star of human rights abuses reminiscent of the dark ages .... though such oppressive restrictions placed on the population by these pillars of moral virtue doesn't seem to stop the King and his wealthy Princes from galavanting all over the globe, indulging themselves of the liquor and prostitutes to which the people would be severely punished for engaging in. Ah ... the fringe benefits of royalty.
Make no mistake you gullible sheep, Islam is not one of you ... it is a wolf in sheep's clothing, deceiving you with calculated gestures of peace and brotherly love, to lull you to sleep while they further their agenda of domination, using your own stupidity against you. They hide behind a constitutional protection of religious freedom which they philosophically reject and intend to eliminate the instant they have amassed the power to do so, whether that is 10 years, or 50 years ... it makes little difference in the greater scheme of time for a tyrannical movement 1500 years in the making, and growing stronger each day.
The very tolerance demanded of YOU, they wholly reject to their own followers in every country to which they gain a majority ... and it is this tolerance they will use against you, until such time as they've achieved the power to deny it to you too.
A careful review of ALL Islamic States around the globe will provide all the evidence needed to prove this as fact. That's the unvarnished truth of the matter.
And though I personally agree that the "Federal Government" has no place in religious arguments, nor in what transpires on private property as is fundamentally prohibited by our constitution ... that constitution is not a suicide pact, and there is no right or protection offered to a hostile foreign entity for the purpose of subverting that constitution, and our form of government. To believe such nonsense is absurd, which is why Islam goes to such great lengths to disguise itself as a religion, rather than what it actually is ... a foreign government who's agenda is to replace ours with theirs.
I wish conspiracy junkies would give it up! Have they EVER proven themselves correct on anything they have railed against? Just pitiful human beings really! Do you really believe our own country would do this? There is proof that it was a plane for crying out loud! Pitiful pitiful people! Granted, it is interesting to read their wacked out ideas, but in the end, smart people realize it is just bunk. US did the pentagon? Blew up the Twin Towers? DIA is HQ for NWO? No man on moon? Get real idiots!
I wish conspiracy junkies would give it up! Have they EVER proven themselves correct on anything they have railed against? Just pitiful human beings really! Do you really believe our own country would do this? There is proof that it was a plane for crying out loud! Pitiful pitiful people! Granted, it is interesting to read their wacked out ideas, but in the end, smart people realize it is just bunk. US did the pentagon? Blew up the Twin Towers? DIA is HQ for NWO? No man on moon? Get real idiots!
Any forensic investigation would prove this conspiracy once and for all... Most people are denial on whether our government would do such a thing... the answer is...
YES THEY WOULD... AND DID...
First, 9-11 wasn't a holocaust. Second, the mass murdering of Natives by whites was more holocaust like. Indians were murdered EVERYWHERE in the U.S. Third, Rightwing churches are EVERYWHERE in the U.S. They seem to have flown pretty well.
Of course churches are everywhere. The basic principles of this country are Christian in origin (to quote an article). So that would be pretty much make sense.
It has been speculated that another project that Iman Rauf has founded will be located at this site and that is the offices of the Sharia Index Project. This is an Islamic foundation that will keep track of how much compliance there is around the world with Sharia law and how they can further its cause.
She said enough ... sadly, not enough people have the intellectual capacity to discern what is being said, because they don't even realize or understand what Islam actually is. Islam knows what it is .... it's "religious" leaders know what it is ... it's most outspoken and extreme followers know what it is, but few outsiders have a clue, because they've been conditioned with deceptive propaganda that masks the basic nature of Islam, and it's core agenda.
The first and greatest deception lies in defining Islam as a "religion". Islam IS NOT A RELIGION. Islam is a supranational system of government that includes systems of religion, finance, and law that are based on the Quran and it's laws .... greatly transcending that of the various other "religions" for which US constitutional protections apply. This is at the heart of the issue, and the element most misunderstood and mischaracterized.
The plain, unvarnished truth is that Islam, by it's own fundamental nature is TOTALLY INCOMPATIBLE with western civilization, and particularly so with regard to the United States of America ... and Islam understands this all too well. Sadly, a very large portion of America does not.
What you have is a very obvious and direct conflict between the core principles of Islam and America's constitutional republic. And Islam is using the freedoms for which it totally rejects as a means to achieve their goal of eliminating those freedoms by stealth and subversion.
Islam has no intention of assimilating or allowing itself to be "westernized" or conforming to the laws and societal structures and tenants of it's host countries. It's goal is to transform those host countries into Islamic States, incrementally, and deceptively. And in EVERY SINGLE CASE in which Muslims become the majority of a population, an Islamic state is formed, and it's population subjugated under tyrannical Islamic rule ... EVERY SINGLE ONE.
The very idea of "moderate" forms of Islam is the greatest of the deceptions. This moderation only exists when Islam is a minority, and such moderation is simply a means to coexist with the population they intend to dominate and replace as their numbers achieve a majority. Upon achieving a majority, or at least sufficient political power to effect changes, the need for such tempered behavior begins to subside, and Islam's true face begins to emerge.
When examined in the proper context, Imam Rauf's wife's statement "this is a defining moment and they will not compromise by changing the location" becomes more clear, and exposes their agenda. And this refusal to "compromise" is endemic to Islamic fundamentalism, and belies their true intentions for which the Imam has claimed is an "effort to build bridges between the Islamic and Christian worlds". If such intentions were sincere, the Imam and those financing this "project" would not behave so insensitively toward the majority of New Yorkers who object to the location of this complex. The "defining moment" she referenced is in fact the "symbology" of this place of worship being built so near to the destruction of the Trade Towers, which in themselves was "symbolic" of western power to which Islam abhors and views as the Great Satan. OF COURSE the moderates (the minority) won't openly state this, as such an admission would obviously be counter productive to the agenda. You don't tell a majority that YOU as a minority intend to radically transform their culture and replace it with your own.
In other words, this complex is a symbolic announcement to the Islamic world that true progress is being made in changing the face of the "great Satan", who's time is just about up. Be patient brothers and sisters, for we shall conquer America in due time, and cleanse the earth of this affront to God, one step at a time.
You need not believe in such symbology and mysticism yourself to recognize that others do, and it is the characteristic of religions in general to embrace mysticism and symbology. The symbology associated with the very attacks occurring on September 11, or 911 is IMPOSSIBLE to miss, just as one of the plains used was "Flight 11" .... 11 being symbolic of the two Towers themselves standing side by side, and the more obvious symbology of 911 being the universal number used by Americans in a call for emergency assistance. Does anyone actually think that all of this is a mere coincidence? Really? How blind can you be? Such blindness is self delusion, and nothing more.
Islam is STEEPED in symbology ... requiring very strict adherence to symbolic behaviors of it's "subjects" ... from how a woman must be covered in public ... to the prohibition of men shaving their beards ... to the prayer times each day ... to the method of bowing with head down pointing toward Mecca, Islam's spiritual place of birth ... to the symbology associated with martyrdom and the sensual pleasures of 72 virgins awaiting in paradise. The list is endless.
And like most self serving philosophies, overt hypocrisy is no stranger, as exemplified by the promise of 72 virgins upon death which seemingly conflicts with a faith so hostile toward human sexuality and it's insistence on abstinence and "virtuous" behavior while alive on earth. Apparently, the Islamic holy men insist that their followers abide strict rules here ... and their subservience will be rewarded with much pleasure up there! How convenient .... for the rulers. So virtuous behavior itself is not really the the goal, it is simply a sin to refuse to postpone sinful behavior until you die and go to paradise, where all bets are off, and you are free to abandon virtue altogether.
Now if one were to desire a clear picture of Islamic rule, one need only observe the society in Saudi Arabia, the spiritual home of Islam, and a shining star of human rights abuses reminiscent of the dark ages .... though such oppressive restrictions placed on the population by these pillars of moral virtue doesn't seem to stop the King and his wealthy Princes from galavanting all over the globe, indulging themselves of the liquor and prostitutes to which the people would be severely punished for engaging in. Ah ... the fringe benefits of royalty.
Make no mistake you gullible sheep, Islam is not one of you ... it is a wolf in sheep's clothing, deceiving you with calculated gestures of peace and brotherly love, to lull you to sleep while they further their agenda of domination, using your own stupidity against you. They hide behind a constitutional protection of religious freedom which they philosophically reject and intend to eliminate the instant they have amassed the power to do so, whether that is 10 years, or 50 years ... it makes little difference in the greater scheme of time for a tyrannical movement 1500 years in the making, and growing stronger each day.
The very tolerance demanded of YOU, they wholly reject to their own followers in every country to which they gain a majority ... and it is this tolerance they will use against you, until such time as they've achieved the power to deny it to you too.
A careful review of ALL Islamic States around the globe will provide all the evidence needed to prove this as fact. That's the unvarnished truth of the matter.
And though I personally agree that the "Federal Government" has no place in religious arguments, nor in what transpires on private property as is fundamentally prohibited by our constitution ... that constitution is not a suicide pact, and there is no right or protection offered to a hostile foreign entity for the purpose of subverting that constitution, and our form of government. To believe such nonsense is absurd, which is why Islam goes to such great lengths to disguise itself as a religion, rather than what it actually is ... a foreign government who's agenda is to replace ours with theirs.
Time to wake up!
YOu know what is funny...if you take out the word Islam and replace it with Christianity. And Koran and replace it with New Testament....it all makes sense!
It has been speculated that another project that Iman Rauf has founded will be located at this site and that is the offices of the Sharia Index Project. This is an Islamic foundation that will keep track of how much compliance there is around the world with Sharia law and how they can further its cause.
GuyNTexas is absolutely right on this.
Couldn't rep GuyNTexas, but he presented a lot of thought-provoking information. I believe he is right.
As for the project to track how much Sharia compliance there is around the world, wasn't this a project that our new SC justice was involved in at Harvard? I'll have to look that up again. I wonder if they get Fed dollars in the form of grants to facilitate Sharia compliance around the world. Wouldn't that be something!
She said enough ... sadly, not enough people have the intellectual capacity to discern what is being said, because they don't even realize or understand what Islam actually is. Islam knows what it is .... it's "religious" leaders know what it is ... it's most outspoken and extreme followers know what it is, but few outsiders have a clue, because they've been conditioned with deceptive propaganda that masks the basic nature of Islam, and it's core agenda.
The first and greatest deception lies in defining Islam as a "religion". Islam IS NOT A RELIGION. Islam is a supranational system of government that includes systems of religion, finance, and law that are based on the Quran and it's laws .... greatly transcending that of the various other "religions" for which US constitutional protections apply. This is at the heart of the issue, and the element most misunderstood and mischaracterized.
The plain, unvarnished truth is that Islam, by it's own fundamental nature is TOTALLY INCOMPATIBLE with western civilization, and particularly so with regard to the United States of America ... and Islam understands this all too well. Sadly, a very large portion of America does not.
What you have is a very obvious and direct conflict between the core principles of Islam and America's constitutional republic. And Islam is using the freedoms for which it totally rejects as a means to achieve their goal of eliminating those freedoms by stealth and subversion.
Islam has no intention of assimilating or allowing itself to be "westernized" or conforming to the laws and societal structures and tenants of it's host countries. It's goal is to transform those host countries into Islamic States, incrementally, and deceptively. And in EVERY SINGLE CASE in which Muslims become the majority of a population, an Islamic state is formed, and it's population subjugated under tyrannical Islamic rule ... EVERY SINGLE ONE.
The very idea of "moderate" forms of Islam is the greatest of the deceptions. This moderation only exists when Islam is a minority, and such moderation is simply a means to coexist with the population they intend to dominate and replace as their numbers achieve a majority. Upon achieving a majority, or at least sufficient political power to effect changes, the need for such tempered behavior begins to subside, and Islam's true face begins to emerge.
When examined in the proper context, Imam Rauf's wife's statement "this is a defining moment and they will not compromise by changing the location" becomes more clear, and exposes their agenda. And this refusal to "compromise" is endemic to Islamic fundamentalism, and belies their true intentions for which the Imam has claimed is an "effort to build bridges between the Islamic and Christian worlds". If such intentions were sincere, the Imam and those financing this "project" would not behave so insensitively toward the majority of New Yorkers who object to the location of this complex. The "defining moment" she referenced is in fact the "symbology" of this place of worship being built so near to the destruction of the Trade Towers, which in themselves was "symbolic" of western power to which Islam abhors and views as the Great Satan. OF COURSE the moderates (the minority) won't openly state this, as such an admission would obviously be counter productive to the agenda. You don't tell a majority that YOU as a minority intend to radically transform their culture and replace it with your own.
In other words, this complex is a symbolic announcement to the Islamic world that true progress is being made in changing the face of the "great Satan", who's time is just about up. Be patient brothers and sisters, for we shall conquer America in due time, and cleanse the earth of this affront to God, one step at a time.
You need not believe in such symbology and mysticism yourself to recognize that others do, and it is the characteristic of religions in general to embrace mysticism and symbology. The symbology associated with the very attacks occurring on September 11, or 911 is IMPOSSIBLE to miss, just as one of the plains used was "Flight 11" .... 11 being symbolic of the two Towers themselves standing side by side, and the more obvious symbology of 911 being the universal number used by Americans in a call for emergency assistance. Does anyone actually think that all of this is a mere coincidence? Really? How blind can you be? Such blindness is self delusion, and nothing more.
Islam is STEEPED in symbology ... requiring very strict adherence to symbolic behaviors of it's "subjects" ... from how a woman must be covered in public ... to the prohibition of men shaving their beards ... to the prayer times each day ... to the method of bowing with head down pointing toward Mecca, Islam's spiritual place of birth ... to the symbology associated with martyrdom and the sensual pleasures of 72 virgins awaiting in paradise. The list is endless.
And like most self serving philosophies, overt hypocrisy is no stranger, as exemplified by the promise of 72 virgins upon death which seemingly conflicts with a faith so hostile toward human sexuality and it's insistence on abstinence and "virtuous" behavior while alive on earth. Apparently, the Islamic holy men insist that their followers abide strict rules here ... and their subservience will be rewarded with much pleasure up there! How convenient .... for the rulers. So virtuous behavior itself is not really the the goal, it is simply a sin to refuse to postpone sinful behavior until you die and go to paradise, where all bets are off, and you are free to abandon virtue altogether.
Now if one were to desire a clear picture of Islamic rule, one need only observe the society in Saudi Arabia, the spiritual home of Islam, and a shining star of human rights abuses reminiscent of the dark ages .... though such oppressive restrictions placed on the population by these pillars of moral virtue doesn't seem to stop the King and his wealthy Princes from galavanting all over the globe, indulging themselves of the liquor and prostitutes to which the people would be severely punished for engaging in. Ah ... the fringe benefits of royalty.
Make no mistake you gullible sheep, Islam is not one of you ... it is a wolf in sheep's clothing, deceiving you with calculated gestures of peace and brotherly love, to lull you to sleep while they further their agenda of domination, using your own stupidity against you. They hide behind a constitutional protection of religious freedom which they philosophically reject and intend to eliminate the instant they have amassed the power to do so, whether that is 10 years, or 50 years ... it makes little difference in the greater scheme of time for a tyrannical movement 1500 years in the making, and growing stronger each day.
The very tolerance demanded of YOU, they wholly reject to their own followers in every country to which they gain a majority ... and it is this tolerance they will use against you, until such time as they've achieved the power to deny it to you too.
A careful review of ALL Islamic States around the globe will provide all the evidence needed to prove this as fact. That's the unvarnished truth of the matter.
And though I personally agree that the "Federal Government" has no place in religious arguments, nor in what transpires on private property as is fundamentally prohibited by our constitution ... that constitution is not a suicide pact, and there is no right or protection offered to a hostile foreign entity for the purpose of subverting that constitution, and our form of government. To believe such nonsense is absurd, which is why Islam goes to such great lengths to disguise itself as a religion, rather than what it actually is ... a foreign government who's agenda is to replace ours with theirs.
Time to wake up!
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Originally Posted by arrgy
YOu know what is funny...if you take out the word Islam and replace it with Christianity. And Koran and replace it with New Testament....it all makes sense!
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Originally Posted by southward bound
Couldn't rep GuyNTexas, but he presented a lot of thought-provoking information. I believe he is right.
As for the project to track how much Sharia compliance there is around the world, wasn't this a project that our new SC justice was involved in at Harvard? I'll have to look that up again. I wonder if they get Fed dollars in the form of grants to facilitate Sharia compliance around the world. Wouldn't that be something!
Dude, lighten up... you can say the same thing about pretty much every religion...
YOu know what is funny...if you take out the word Islam and replace it with Christianity. And Koran and replace it with New Testament....it all makes sense!
yeah..and a "small" prayer room that will hold about 2000 people on Friday nights for worship.
They're already using it as a place of worship, and have been for over a YEAR. Why is it only after it's announced that they intend to use it for other things, like swimming pools, culinary classes, an auditorium, a basketball court, classrooms, meeting rooms, etc., that it's suddenly so horrifying that Muslims might actually pray there? Not a peep for a year while they've been using it as JUST a mosque. Hmmmm.
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Originally Posted by newhandle
It is a dangerous thing, denying a religious group a place to worship. Blaming the Muslims who want this facility for 9/11 is like the Nazi's blaming all Jews for the murder of Ernst vom Rath and then using it as an excuse for Kristallnacht. It is dangerous to do this and simply wrong. America is on an anti-Muslim tirade and this is an excuse to take it to a higher level. This is being played out all over the US and I see those who use it for political gain as pandering to ignorance and fear. Which group will be next?
Can I hope it's Republicans?
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Originally Posted by lorrysda
Good grief! When are you people going to actually study the religious philosophy behind this very radical muslim/terrorist group!
When are you people going to actually acknowledge that THIS group has nothing to do with radical Islam? The Imam in question is a Sufi, for crying out loud! Sufism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Originally Posted by Ecovlke
Isn't it ironic that the right's big talking heads scream like banshees about the constitution and their demi-Gods, the founding fathers, but won't defend the most basic tenet of the establishment of this country. (this country was NOT found...we Indigenous had survived 1000's of years here before your ancesters stumbled onto our banks confused of their whereabouts, starving, and the idiot pilgrims had no skills to survive. They were lucky we taught them how them how to farm, hunt and fish in this land)
When this country starts denying religions the right of freedom to assemble and build their community centers and churches we no long are the country of the men who wrote the constitution.
This part of your post, in particular, is absolutely brilliant and deserved repeating.
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Originally Posted by Mightyqueen801
I remember this. It was on TV. He brought someone along who videotaped some of the speeches.
It's no secret that they live here in New York and New Jersey. The 1993 bombers lived in Jersey City. Right after 1993, the FBI came in the middle of the night to one of the apartments in the complex where I lived in West Paterson, NJ, and went through it. Of course, we didn't get any details about who they were looking for, but whoever it was had already moved out.
My ex-husband is a building super at one of the high-rise coops in Fort Lee, NJ, right across the river from Manhattan. A couple of days after 9/11, he was visited by two FBI agents seeking information about a man who had been renting one of the units. My ex didn't really know the guy, because he'd taken the job just two months before the man moved out. They asked what he'd noticed about the guy, if people had come to help him move, etc., and also if my ex had ever noticed him at any other places around the building. The answer was yes--my ex had seen him up on the roof, photographing the skyline. Not an unusual thing to do in a building with a view of Manhattan, but probably significant in view of what had just occurred.
People with interests in terroristic activity are definitely living in the NY metro area. That's a fact of life and has been for a very long time. That's why NYPD and other law enforcement agencies have anti-terrorism units who do nothing but look for them. That's why they pay big bucks to Muslim informants.
As your article demonstrates, this is not the only part of the country where they are, either.
Our local city police in rinky-dink Torrance, California uncovered a terrorist plot right here in our back yard . Los Angeles Times: "Torrance Case Cited by Panel on Terrorism" (http://www.mpac.org/article.php?id=488 - broken link) My assistant at the time lived in the apartment complex they arrested these guys in.
Should we disallow mosques in Torrance now?
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