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Old 07-19-2010, 10:42 AM
 
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I never said they did...
I never claimed that you said they did, I just stated that they wouldnt..
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Old 07-19-2010, 10:50 AM
 
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The mystery deepens:

Cnet

Update 3:20 p.m. PT: In an interview, a BurstNet spokesman declined to identify the law enforcement agency that ordered Blogetery shut down or provide the reason but did say that it had nothing to do with copyright violations.


Cnet

Was there due process?
None of this makes sense, according to one law enforcement official with experience in cybercrime investigations who wasn't connected to the cases but wished to be anonymous because he is isn't authorized to speak on the matter.

He said that he didn't know of any agency that had the authority to terminate service for thousands of people without essentially jumping through all kinds of legal hoops. Not even federal officials in child pornography investigations can immediately shut down hosting services.

Search warrants are obtained and Internet protocol addresses of the people uploading and downloading the material are turned over, but the services typically stay in operation, the source said. He said he thinks there's likely more to the story.

He noted that in the United States, prosecutors and law enforcement are required to provide due process. He said, at least in theory, we have a system based on the assumption that someone is innocent until proven guilty.

They can't just snap their fingers, he said, and make a service provider go dark.
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Old 07-19-2010, 10:50 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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scienceexperimentsforkids.blogetery.com only has 4 posts - all from Oct-Nov 2007.

Don't let this one stale website on the server be the excuse not to take down child-porn and file sharing websites.

Google cache - while it lasts:
Science experiments for kids — Just another Blogetery.com weblog
So now it isn't just copyright issues it is to take down child porn...

I love when the goalposts keep moving...
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Old 07-19-2010, 10:51 AM
 
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I never claimed that you said they did, I just stated that they wouldnt..
my bad
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Old 07-19-2010, 10:52 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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The mystery deepens:

Cnet

Update 3:20 p.m. PT: In an interview, a BurstNet spokesman declined to identify the law enforcement agency that ordered Blogetery shut down or provide the reason but did say that it had nothing to do with copyright violations.


Cnet

Was there due process?
None of this makes sense, according to one law enforcement official with experience in cybercrime investigations who wasn't connected to the cases but wished to be anonymous because he is isn't authorized to speak on the matter.

He said that he didn't know of any agency that had the authority to terminate service for thousands of people without essentially jumping through all kinds of legal hoops. Not even federal officials in child pornography investigations can immediately shut down hosting services.

Search warrants are obtained and Internet protocol addresses of the people uploading and downloading the material are turned over, but the services typically stay in operation, the source said. He said he thinks there's likely more to the story.

He noted that in the United States, prosecutors and law enforcement are required to provide due process. He said, at least in theory, we have a system based on the assumption that someone is innocent until proven guilty.

They can't just snap their fingers, he said, and make a service provider go dark.
So now there was NO copyright issues...yet wasn't a law pertaining to copyright violations supposedly the reason this could be done????

Hmmmm....
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Old 07-19-2010, 11:07 AM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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So now there was NO copyright issues...yet wasn't a law pertaining to copyright violations supposedly the reason this could be done????

Hmmmm....
That was just a supposition. No reliable source says that DMCA was used to take them down. All that Burstnet will say is that they were ordered by the feds to take it down and at this time are not allowed to elaborate further.

This thread at Webhostingtalk has some info:
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=964013
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Old 07-19-2010, 11:12 AM
 
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Much has been said about folks not reading the link... well I did.

Hot on the heels of recent threats from Vice President Joe Biden and Intellectual Property Enforcement Coordinator Victoria Espinel directed at sites offering unauthorized movies and music, last month U.S. authorities targeted several sites they claimed were connected to the streaming of infringing video material.

U.S. Authorities Shut Down Wordpress Host With 73,000 Blogs | TorrentFreak

As part of a new initiative cracking down on Internet piracy and counterfeiting, yesterday the U.S. government took action against nine web portals suspected of streaming of first-run movies. Not only were domain names targeted, but assets seized from bank, PayPal and other accounts. One site, NinjaVideo, was warned by TorrentFreak months ago they were being watched.

Fed-Busted Movie Site Informed Of Investigation Months Ago | TorrentFreak

So, 73,000 sites were not shutdown by the government, but instead by ISP's hoping to avoid prosecution by shutting off their servers and their hosted sites with them.[ovcatto]

Blogetery.com claimed the shut down of 73,000 blogs “was not a typical case, in which suspension and notification would be the norm. This was a critical matter brought to our attention by law enforcement officials. We had to immediately remove the server.”

Feds Ignore Due Process, First Amendment, Shut Down 73,000 Blogs | The Liberty Blog
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Old 07-19-2010, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Much has been said about folks not reading the link... well I did.

Hot on the heels of recent threats from Vice President Joe Biden and Intellectual Property Enforcement Coordinator Victoria Espinel directed at sites offering unauthorized movies and music, last month U.S. authorities targeted several sites they claimed were connected to the streaming of infringing video material.

U.S. Authorities Shut Down Wordpress Host With 73,000 Blogs | TorrentFreak

As part of a new initiative cracking down on Internet piracy and counterfeiting, yesterday the U.S. government took action against nine web portals suspected of streaming of first-run movies. Not only were domain names targeted, but assets seized from bank, PayPal and other accounts. One site, NinjaVideo, was warned by TorrentFreak months ago they were being watched.

Fed-Busted Movie Site Informed Of Investigation Months Ago | TorrentFreak

So, 73,000 sites were not shutdown by the government, instead ISP hoping to avoid prosecution shut off their serves and their their hosted sites with them.[ovcatto]

Blogetery.com claimed the shut down of 73,000 blogs “was not a typical case, in which suspension and notification would be the norm. This was a critical matter brought to our attention by law enforcement officials. We had to immediately remove the server.”

Feds Ignore Due Process, First Amendment, Shut Down 73,000 Blogs | The Liberty Blog
Good stuff!
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Old 07-19-2010, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Fort Wayne/Las Vegas/Summit-Argo
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If they weren't involved in file sharing ( which is of course,illegal when it violates copyrights) then they shouldn't have been shut down.
They can re-establish their blogs ,I'm sure and if not then there's always that flexible tool known as a lawsuit.
Can't see what the issue is.
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Old 07-19-2010, 11:28 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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If they weren't involved in file sharing ( which is of course,illegal when it violates copyrights) then they shouldn't have been shut down.
They can re-establish their blogs ,I'm sure and if not then there's always that flexible tool known as a lawsuit.
Can't see what the issue is.
Except it now is being said it had nothing to do with copyright infringement...
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