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And there are a bunch of liberals who support the 2nd amendment.
There are meat-eating liberals.
There are liberals who smoke.
You were trying to draw parallels between conservatives and libertarians to suggest a united front against liberals. When the fact is that libertarians are just as likely to find allies amongst liberals as amongst conservatives. So...
There are allies among those who do not wish to see the government interfere in these issue. So long as liberals and democrats insist on legislating social issues, I think it will be difficult to have any sort of common ground. It is government's role in these things that the divide comes in. On the fiscal side, liberals and libertarians are pretty far apart (given current definitions as Memphis said).
There is among those who do not wish to see the government interfere in these issue. So long as liberals and democrats insist on legislating social issues, I think it will be difficult to have any sort of common ground. It is government's role in these things that the divide comes in.
I might remind you that Conservatives do attempt to legislate social issues all the time. Gay marriage? It was conservatives in Arkansas who got a law passed trying to prevent gay couples from adopting. It was conservatives in Arkansas who passed laws to monitor child obesity and to send letters home to parents which threatened them to put their child on a diet or face child abuse prosecution. There are several states where conservatives have laws on the books prohibiting atheists from public office, or even serving on a jury. Not liberals. Conservatives. Don't kid yourself that conservatives don't legislate social issues. They do it all the time.
If a libertarian wants to spark up a doobie, he does it, at home, and harms no one.
If a conservative sees him, he'll call the police, have the libertarian thrown in jail, his home, family, job, and all taken away from him, because "God" told him to.
If a liberal woman wants to get an abortion, she gets stopped at the door by the conservative, who explains to her that she is going to hell, and that she can't kill her baby by a rapist, because God ordained it.
Need I go on? What a silly thread.
So killing the baby will make it all better? How is killing this baby going to help the situation? Did this baby asked to be here?
If we had a real justice system, we wouldn't have as many rapists in the first place. You people feel more sorry for the perp, than the victim. That is why we have such an imperfect society.
So killing the baby will make it all better? How is killing this baby going to help the situation? Did this baby asked to be here?
If we had a real justice system, we wouldn't have as many rapists in the first place. You people feel more sorry for the perp, than the victim. That is why we have such an imperfect society.
Thread isn't about abortion.
The OP wanted to say that libertarians and conservatives are alike in the sense that they mind their own business. That may be true of libertarians, but it's not true of many conservatives.
I might remind you that Conservatives do attempt to legislate social issues all the time. Gay marriage? It was conservatives in Arkansas who got a law passed trying to prevent gay couples from adopting. It was conservatives in Arkansas who passed laws to monitor child obesity and to send letters home to parents which threatened them to put their child on a diet or face child abuse prosecution. There are several states where conservatives have laws on the books prohibiting atheists from public office, or even serving on a jury. Not liberals. Conservatives. Don't kid yourself that conservatives don't legislate social issues. They do it all the time.
I was just going to mention that. You are right. I know they do and it goes back to government's role. So long as they legislaate what people can and cannot do that divide will remain.
Many "conservative" politicians speak of Constitutionalism, free markets and liberty, but their congresional votes often show them to be no more than RINOs. I can see why the word conservative has really bad connotation these days. I will admit that it is hard being a Libertarian when neither party seems to really represent that you believe.
Libertarians and conservatives are hardly the same thing these days...
That's true when you look at the Republican Party. I agree with what you say. Maybe my poor attempt to get the word conservative to mean what it meant in a Jeffersonian sense is futile.
I do think that a lot of people who call themselves conservatives do mean it in that sense though and don't like how the Republican Party uses the word any more than I do.
So killing the baby will make it all better? How is killing this baby going to help the situation? Did this baby asked to be here?
If we had a real justice system, we wouldn't have as many rapists in the first place. You people feel more sorry for the perp, than the victim. That is why we have such an imperfect society.
Give me liberty or give me death.
We don't need to get into an abortion debate on this thread, plenty of them we can do that on. Lets just leave it as we will agree to disagree on the above statements.
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