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Old 07-20-2010, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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Certainly government should try to cut its energy usage, but that's not the primary problem. The problem is government is FAR TOO BIG. It should not be the biggest energy user: it is a parasite. The parasite is bigger than all the hosts put together!

We could reduce energy use much MORE by reducing the size of government, rather than trying to make tiny reductions via changing from incandescent to florescent light bulbs (which cost twice as much, don't last as long despite the claims, and "blow up" when they fail, throwing toxic mercury around the room. Less fatcat politicians flying around the world, paid for by American wage-earners. Less government employees reviewing, licensing, supervising, and micro-monitoring and taxing every single movement, activity, trade, wage, time period, piece of property, state of being, number, etc. that happens in America.

Second, energy produced from "green sources" (nuclear excluded since the technophobes won't allow a real solution to our energy problems) is MUCH, MUCH more expensive than traditional sources.

So Obama will continue to grow government more a year while attempting to get incremental savings, and by moving to much more expensive energy sources. A nice idea, but not addressing either of the primary problems: an overgrown government that has no respect for the taxpayer dollar, and it's promotion of energy sources that are not reliable or powerful to support the grid, and not economic enough to survive without massive input of more taxpayers dollars.

Want real solutions? A government at 1/1,000,000 its former size under a Libertarian government that continually reduces it, real energy solutions like nuclear, and an economy free of government suffocation that can thrive and provide jobs for the constantly increasing population.
May I add one more very important part of the solution. Let's go back to restricting the Federal Government to "ONLY" becoming involved in the areas "ALLOWED" by the Constitution. Now that would be a change for the good.
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Old 07-20-2010, 03:25 PM
 
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I have a better idea on how to reduce CO2 emissions with Gov employees.... how about we completely gag them with duct tape and keep them from expelling all that CO2 into the atmosphere with every breath ?!
Does that apply to Homeland Security and the Pentagon?

Go for it lol
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Old 07-20-2010, 03:29 PM
 
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This is a bunch of nonsense. Politicians like Pelosi will still take military flights along with their families. In the end, this means nothing. Most of this wont be enacted nor followed. All this is, is a formality. It means nothing.

Like Ive said, the biggest mouth pieces for "saving the planet" are the biggest abusers and hypocrites, from DC to Hollywood. Screw them. All these clowns in DC and Hollywood use more energy and pollute more in a year than most of us will in a life time. I say again, screw them and screw their oncoming Cap/Trade monstrosity.
Well with that said I say screw the Gulf Coast States. Handle that mess on your own lol. You made the deals with BP. Suck it up and tell Oboma to stick the 20 Billion Dollar Fund in the Federal Treasury.
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Old 07-20-2010, 03:39 PM
 
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Quote: Second, energy produced from "green sources" (nuclear excluded since the technophobes won't allow a real solution to our energy problems) is MUCH, MUCH more expensive than traditional sources.

Yea right. Lets let safety minded/profit 1st companies like the Mining Co's in WV and BP in the Gulf Coast States manage some nuclear plants in Texas or LA and see how well that goes lol.

They've done such a fine job of managing the clean burning Coal mines and the Petro refining stations in the Gulf left alone the next ticking time bomb off shore oil well waiting to explode.

Lets stick to the unregualted Conservative Energy Buisness models as usual and put your trust in these consience minded Corperations. None of these over regulated plants in my back yard lol.

He did anybody ask Nevada to return all that wasted Federal money on Yuka Mountian for the 1/2 built depository for that Conservative Nuclear Waste depo?
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Old 07-20-2010, 09:04 PM
 
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"Do As I Do"!

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama wants federal workers to cut down on business travel and commuting by car as he seeks to reduce heat-trapping emissions produced by the federal government.

The White House was announcing Tuesday that the government will aim to reduce carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions from indirect sources like employee driving by 13 percent in 2020, compared with 2008 levels.

Earlier this year Obama directed agencies to reduce pollution from direct sources, such as buildings and government fleets, by 28 percent in the next decade.

The federal government is the largest energy consumer in the U.S. economy, and the combined reductions would be the equivalent of removing emissions from 235 million barrels of oil, the White House said.

Employee travel and commuting account for the biggest category of what the White House calls indirect sources of pollution, so the main way to limit them will be encouraging employees to travel less for business and to use mass transit for their commutes. Other sources of indirect pollution are waste disposal and energy that is lost through inefficient electricity transmission.

The announcement allows Obama to show some forward movement on cutting greenhouse gases even as the Senate prepares to take up energy legislation without the broad, economy-wide greenhouse gas emission caps Obama hoped for.

In a statement, Obama noted that the government is the biggest energy user. "The government has a responsibility to use that energy wisely, to reduce consumption, improve efficiency, use renewable energy, like wind and solar, and cut costs," he said. B]
Teleconferencing! That's the ticket!

With hidden teleprompters!
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