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I will say this for the abstinence programs, when mixed with a traditional sex education class they have better effects than either program does alone.
Its the abstinence only courses, and no class at all that have the worst results.
The thing about abstinence is depth. You can only say so much about it.
Clearly, we should all work to teach kids to say "no", but that only goes so far. To me, it's a given. I mean, what sex-ed teacher or parent is going to encourage sex? Don't all responsible parents and teachers touch on that?
That said, if it isn't already the case in some locales, suggesting abstinence should be part of the curriculum. If I recall correctly, my "health" teacher (who died tragically in an airline crash - RIP) did offer up abstinence as the only 100% effective method to prevent pregnancy and STDs -- and that was back in the 70s.
you conservatives need to quit preaching to the quire.
In YOUR perfect world, everyone will be responsible, will not have sex until they are married, will not get a divorce, and everyone will believe in the all mighty jebus.
Now, a reality check, your world is not PERFECT! AND it never will be.
Yes. +1
It's like supply-side economics, to yank this off on a quick tangent. It's putting a lot of faith into the idea that everyone will behave a certain way. Human nature doesn't work that way.
The sex talk is never easy. It's not comfortable for anyone involved — parents are afraid of it, children are mortified by it — which is probably why the talk so often comes after the fact. In the latest study on parent-child talks about sex and sexuality, researchers found that more than 40% of adolescents had had intercourse before talking to their parents about safe sex, birth control or sexually transmitted diseases.
The statistics prove your point wrong.
Far be it from me to advise others but in 2010 I truly hope discussions about sex begin very early and continue in a more open, realistic way.
Back in the dark ages I was grateful for the minimal FYI provided at school. SEX was not discussed. My aunt found out that I had talked about 'the cycle' to my cousin and from that point on --I was wild. lol
That is not a good way to live, jmo.
I'm not certain how far I think a school should go but an option for parents to choose is always good.
after looking at htese links the first two seem to be about the same case and is a great example of why sex ed should be taught in the schools. these parents bringing the suit are having a hard time their children were exposed to normal everyday sexual practices and words. OMG they used slang. like real kids would when they gave a presentation. OMG they talked about oral sex, homosexuality and masterbation. again would you prefer your children to just be ignorant of these things? or only taught that people have only one kind of sex? the gay books I would have to have way more information on. I have no problems with homosexuality being talked about in sex ed. pornography gay or straight is another matter all together for schools
Well, you obviously did not read the links so how can you discuss them? The first two links are not about the same case. And, I, like many parents look at the "Hot, Safe & Sexy" production put on by the one school, pornographic. I would not want my child forced (there was no parental notification and no opt out) to watch some woman get up on stage and tell a boy he had a cute butt or that he was wearing erection pants or simulate sex on stage or any of the other sexually provocative stuff that if someone did online with a 14 year old might land them in jail.
I, like many other parents, would not want my tax dollars paying for, let alone my 14 year old going to a Massachusettes Dept of Education partially funded Sex Education Conference where they taught all kinds of sex, including Fisting as is described in the second link.
The third link, from a Conservative Gay site, describes the inappropriate Reading List recommended by the GayLesbian group, GLSEN, which was headed for 10 years by Kevin Jennings. Some of the books as described by these responsible Conservative Gays in the link, would be rated "X" if books were rated like movies.
So, you may think this kind of education is "good." But, many, including I, would strongly disagree.
Here are the links again, in case you actually want to read what you comment on:
Well, you obviously did not read the links so how can you discuss them? The first two links are not about the same case. And, I, like many parents look at the "Hot, Safe & Sexy" production put on by the one school, pornographic. I would not want my child forced (there was no parental notification and no opt out) to watch some woman get up on stage and tell a boy he had a cute butt or that he was wearing erection pants or simulate sex on stage or any of the other sexually provocative stuff that if someone did online with a 14 year old might land them in jail.
I, like many other parents, would not want my tax dollars paying for, let alone my 14 year old going to a Massachusettes Dept of Education partially funded Sex Education Conference where they taught all kinds of sex, including Fisting as is described in the second link.
The third link, from a Conservative Gay site, describes the inappropriate Reading List recommended by the GayLesbian group, GLSEN, which was headed for 10 years by Kevin Jennings. Some of the books as described by these responsible Conservative Gays in the link, would be rated "X" if books were rated like movies.
So, you may think this kind of education is "good." But, many, including I, would strongly disagree.
Here are the links again, in case you actually want to read what you comment on:
It's bad parenting. Parents who make kids feel ashamed of their bodies grow up to be people who flip out about sex-ed.
Funny enough - we have some very high-strung religious types in my family (on my dad's side). A couple of them are preachers. They hate sex-ed. Guess whose kids showed up pregnant in high school? That's right - the oldest daughters of both our family preachers showed up knocked-up by 16.
Several years after I left my high school there was a PTA member who was trying to get sex ed out of the school and was rabid about it. And then you can predict what happened; her daughter had a baby in the 10th grade. It seemed like the mother of the teen was begging to be the first grandmother in her peer group. She was super religious and against all forms of birth control.
Several years after I left my high school there was a PTA member who was trying to get sex ed out of the school and was rabid about it. And then you can predict what happened; her daughter had a baby in the 10th grade. It seemed like the mother of the teen was begging to be the first grandmother in her peer group. She was super religious and against all forms of birth control.
Well, you obviously did not read the links so how can you discuss them? The first two links are not about the same case. And, I, like many parents look at the "Hot, Safe & Sexy" production put on by the one school, pornographic. I would not want my child forced (there was no parental notification and no opt out) to watch some woman get up on stage and tell a boy he had a cute butt or that he was wearing erection pants or simulate sex on stage or any of the other sexually provocative stuff that if someone did online with a 14 year old might land them in jail.
I, like many other parents, would not want my tax dollars paying for, let alone my 14 year old going to a Massachusettes Dept of Education partially funded Sex Education Conference where they taught all kinds of sex, including Fisting as is described in the second link.
The third link, from a Conservative Gay site, describes the inappropriate Reading List recommended by the GayLesbian group, GLSEN, which was headed for 10 years by Kevin Jennings. Some of the books as described by these responsible Conservative Gays in the link, would be rated "X" if books were rated like movies.
So, you may think this kind of education is "good." But, many, including I, would strongly disagree.
Here are the links again, in case you actually want to read what you comment on:
Most Sex ed classes teaches you the basic's , a few Family life things and Preventing STD's. Fisting and other sex acts are not taught , most teens learn about that stuff through porno.....most teens start having sex around 14 so this stuff is important whether you like it or not. States that don't have good programs have higher STD & Pregnancy rates..........Parents don't like talking about stuff like Sex it falls into a awkward topic category. I only have a mom , she didn't want to teach me so i learned it form school. To be honest i don't think many parents would agree with you. Fathers definitely wouldn't , maybe some Mothers.
Most Sex ed classes teaches you the basic's , a few Family life things and Preventing STD's. Fisting and other sex acts are not taught , most teens learn about that stuff through porno.....most teens start having sex around 14 so this stuff is important whether you like it or not. States that don't have good programs have higher STD & Pregnancy rates..........Parents don't like talking about stuff like Sex it falls into a awkward topic category. I only have a mom , she didn't want to teach me so i learned it form school. To be honest i don't think many parents would agree with you. Fathers definitely wouldn't , maybe some Mothers.
Try reading the book, "You're Teaching My Child What" or "Unprotected" both by a physician named, Miriam Grossman, M.D. You might be surprised by the verifiable facts she presents on the rise of STD's along with the unbelievable misinformation being presented to our children with regard to the Public School's Sex MisEducation.
Greetings,
When I went to school, we were taught the 3 r's. From that has mostly came successful people. Then the school shuffled to put in the new age way of thinking. That is not educating our kids. But remember Iowa has legalized gay marriage. This is the beginning of all the trash to come from that state.
The morals have changed, with parents not teaching the morals they should to there kids. They sit back and allow somebody else to do it.
Be Blessed
I graduated from high school in Pennsylvanaia in 1967. We had our share of "had to get marrieds". A friend several years older than me told me her HS in N. Dakota did, too. It was everywhere, and always has been. Morals are fine, but sometimes raging hormones interfere.
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You are clueless eh? You didn't know that people on welfare get more money for each kid they have? If they weren't getting the money, they would think twice before getting pregnant. So should we just keep paying for every low life that keeps their legs open and pops out kid after kid just so these children can become a statistic?
You have obviously never worked with welfare recipients. I never heard anyone say they wanted another baby for the money. Babies cost money too. The extra money is probably a wash.
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Yes. THE PARENTS "can talk to their kids about it." NOT the government.
Why does everyone assume the worst of parents and assume they will not do their job? I thought people were innocent until proven guilty in this country. Why do we subject all the kids from good, responsible families to the same, often inappropriate, certainly not personalized instruction on a very personal subject to accommodate the minority?
You do realize that some "education" can be "bad."
Well, I guess b/c the outcome of "let the parents do it" is more and more teen pregnancy.
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I will say this for the abstinence programs, when mixed with a traditional sex education class they have better effects than either program does alone.
Its the abstinence only courses, and no class at all that have the worst results.
I read an article about an "Abstinence Only" course for young teens that talked about remainng "abstinent for now". It worked fairly well, at follow up two years later, the group that had been in the program had had less sex than the control group.
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