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Old 03-17-2011, 02:03 PM
 
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Because people who can't or don't have proper ID tend to be poor and uneducated, yet numerous, and the poor tend to vote Democrat.

And because the Republicans use these laws to stack the deck.

Both are true.
How did they get registered? If you say they got registered without showing ID, that is fraud.
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Old 03-17-2011, 02:05 PM
 
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I would say there as much about that as they are people who sometimes have to 12+ hour days, myself formerly included, and, if they don't live in early voting states, get one shot at lunch hour to vote. If you need only get X amount of time off and need to be back to work on time, you cannot have a bunch of people in front of you rummaging through their purse/wallet to get their IDs to vote...If there are you then have 2 choices risk losing your job, or get disinfranchised.
Oh PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!! That is the dumbest damn thing I have ever heard for an argument against this.... What is wrong with people today?????? UGHHHH....
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Old 03-17-2011, 02:06 PM
 
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How did they get registered? If you say they got registered without showing ID, that is fraud.
Fraud requires intent.

I dunno. Neither do you.

Both parties try to play games with the electoral process.

I've seen it with my own two eyes....
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Old 03-17-2011, 02:07 PM
 
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Oh PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!! That is the dumbest damn thing I have ever heard for an argument against this.... What is wrong with people today?????? UGHHHH....
You obviously have never had a job that required long hours at a single site...If you did you would know it prevents you from doing all sorts of stuff.
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Old 03-17-2011, 02:08 PM
 
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Quite frankly I find it shocking that you have no problem with the fact that people like me would not be allowed to vote. Let me ask you this question then, what if I do get the non-driver ID but then lose it in 4 years. (Entirely plausible since I would only use that ID only once every 2 or 4 years). Should I still be barred from voting? I am assuming you know that it is pretty much impossible to get a non-driver ID on Election Day and passports and/or passport cards take up to 2 weeks to arrive.
Dude, what is wrong with you. Try getting asked who you are by a cop with no ID. Let's see how far you get trying to prove who you are. So it is pretty important to keep up on that stuff. If you personally don't care about that stuff, then you can't care about not being able to vote. Keep your ID up to date and you won't have a problem. The system isn't suppoesed to work around you, you need to work within the system.
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Old 03-17-2011, 02:09 PM
 
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You obviously have never had a job that required long hours at a single site...If you did you would know it prevents you from doing all sorts of stuff.
So?????? The laws shouldn't revolve around your choices. Ask your boss to give you a some time to go vote. BTW, someone fumbling for their ID is not going to create a line around the block.
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Old 03-17-2011, 02:11 PM
 
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Fraud requires intent.

I dunno. Neither do you.

Both parties try to play games with the electoral process.

I've seen it with my own two eyes....
Intent could be assumed or possibly even proven if the person accepting the registration doesn't ask for ID. I'm pretty sure it is law in most states, if not all, to prove who you are with a VALID photo ID to register to vote.
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Old 03-17-2011, 02:12 PM
 
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Quite frankly I find it shocking that you have no problem with the fact that people like me would not be allowed to vote. Let me ask you this question then, what if I do get the non-driver ID but then lose it in 4 years. (Entirely plausible since I would only use that ID only once every 2 or 4 years). Should I still be barred from voting? I am assuming you know that it is pretty much impossible to get a non-driver ID on Election Day and passports and/or passport cards take up to 2 weeks to arrive.
Good afternoon,

In regards to the portion in bold, how is requiring you to have an ID that's $14 in your home state not allowing you to vote? It's only $14. I grew up in a poor household, in one of the poorest neighborhoods within a state that's near the bottom rankings of poverty and I STILL easily found a few bucks (under $20) when I really wanted something as a kid.

If you really want to vote, you'll find the $14. Using the "not getting an ID on Election Day" is a red herring, since many states close new registrations weeks before Election Day anyway. In your home state of New York, for November 3, 2010 elections voter registration was closed on October 22, 2010.

New York State Board of Elections Voting Page (http://www.elections.state.ny.us/voting.html - broken link)

That's more than enough time to go and purchase a $14 ID card.
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Old 03-17-2011, 02:13 PM
 
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So?????? The laws shouldn't revolve around your choices. Ask your boss to give you a some time to go vote. BTW, someone fumbling for their ID is not going to create a line around the block.
If you haven't done it you shouldn't be commenting. If there are 7 of you working a group of 250 people you can't just leave to vote...It doesn't work that way. As to someone fumbling for ID causing a block in a line...you have probably not been to a registrars office or a DMV recently. As to voting it should be set up so every legal voter has the opportunity, especially those ones that are working their behinds off and paying taxes.

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Old 03-17-2011, 02:16 PM
 
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Dude, what is wrong with you. Try getting asked who you are by a cop with no ID. Let's see how far you get trying to prove who you are.
Sour "name one country that separates Sweden and Switzerland" D, there is no requirement to have an identification for police officers if they approach you while walking on the street. They cannot use that as justification to detain or arrest you. You may have to provide your name, but there is no requirement to have ID on you at all times.

See Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, 542 U.S. 177 (2004).

Are you really saying that we're a "Papers, please," society? That that's the sort of society you want?
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