Ocala pediatrician refuses service for proported gunowner (death, abortions, bias)
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For refusing to answer the question of whether she owns a gun in the house, she is denied service in the future. If this is allowed, isn't the doctor who turned away patients who supported Obamacare allowed to deny service outright?
I think the doctor became insulted because she wouldn't answer and he has never been faced with this before. He could have offered her advice about gun safety anyway and went about his buisiness being a doctor, I don't think it really makes much difference because he can't control what happens beyond the office setting. I think he wanted to show her who was boss. IMHO, he should treat the kids anyway.
"WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE TO ANYONE"
That seems pretty clear. IMO, ANY business owner, regardless of the type of business, has the absolute right to decide who he will serve, just as YOU have the absolute right to limit who you will allow in your home. (yes, I am well aware that there is a difference between a business and a home, but the principle is the same).
It is just like the insurance companies which will no longer write new health coverage policies for children. They have the right to decide who they will and will not cover.
It has been said many times: You can NOT grant special rights to any group without denying an equivalent right to another group.
It is just that simple!
The doctor has an absolute right to control who enters his office, period!
They didn't want these people as patients because the parents were evasive and dishonest. Do you have any idea what kind of problems that can cause? How dangerous that can be? I'm a gun owner and supporter of gun rights, but I face lying, deceiving patients every day who seem to lie just for the sake of lying...they put everyone's safety in jeopardy.
Please, other than their own, how does this put anyone else's saftey in jeopardy?
That's not why the woman was refused service. It was because she didn't want to answer a safety question. You know that kids are curious, and many gun owners put their guns in "safe" places - up on top of a piece of furniture, hidden in a drawer, under their mattress. Many others put them in gun safes. If this woman had said, "Yes, but they are kept under lock & key so the girls can't get them", the doctor would have gone on.
And if the woman had said yes, its on top of my refrigerator? (Where my dad keeps his).. WHat would the doctor have done then? Denied them treatment?
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Originally Posted by Emeraldmaiden
I went to a new doctor last week, and he asked if we had any guns in the house. At the moment, we don't, and I told him we don't. But we have had, and if we did, I would tell him.
And if you told the doctor you dont, but you do, then what? The question is meaningless because the doctor has no way of knowing if you are lying to him or not..
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Originally Posted by Emeraldmaiden
Constitutionality does not enter into this discussion. No one says people with children should give up their guns, only keep them out of their kids' potential reach.
or teach children that they are dangerous weapons just like the sharp knives which you keep in the kitchen drawers, and not to be played with..
They didn't want these people as patients because the parents were evasive and dishonest. Do you have any idea what kind of problems that can cause? How dangerous that can be? I'm a gun owner and supporter of gun rights, but I face lying, deceiving patients every day who seem to lie just for the sake of lying...they put everyone's safety in jeopardy.
But.. If you tell your doctor you dont have a gun, and you do, the doctor will continue to treat you, even though you lied to his face.
The point being, the doctor has no way of knowing if you are being dishonest or not..
I am not against safety tips being given, who would be? But this goes to a political agenda all the way back to the Clinton administration.
There may be lots of doctors who are pro gun, but doctors associations tend to be anti gun. Back in the Clinton days, and probably still so, doctors associations helped promote and supported gun control. Terming gun violence as a " health epidemic" was even tried and they tried to get the CDC involved in gun control.
Clinton and Handgun control inc, and Sarah Brady and the rest of their cronies ultimately failed and had a backlash toward them from their attempted gun control measures but they never gave up, they still try to do what they can, like in this case the the doctors association trying to convince people not to own guns.
So this asking about what you have in your house is more than trying to provide safety tips.
And if the woman had said yes, its on top of my refrigerator? (Where my dad keeps his).. WHat would the doctor have done then? Denied them treatment?
He probably would have reminded them that kids are quick and love to climb. Perhaps they ought to lock it up to prevent an accident, or, at minimum, make sure it's kept unloaded.
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And if you told the doctor you dont, but you do, then what? The question is meaningless because the doctor has no way of knowing if you are lying to him or not..
Then won't the doctor be surprised when he finds out your kid is in the ER (or one of his friends is) due to a gunshot wound? Granted, that doesn't happen in every, or even most homes with guns, but it happens often enough to consider the possibility.
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or teach children that they are dangerous weapons just like the sharp knives which you keep in the kitchen drawers, and not to be played with..
And many kids don't get lessons the first time, or even the twentieth time. Do you really think telling them once that "the gun on the fridge is off limits and dangerous" will work?
The doctor has every right to refuse a patient, doctors are not slaves... if a patient chooses to be a difficult patient, which is what the doctor realized during the meeting, the patient was turned away... the whole point of that question was to counsel parents about gun safety not to pick and choose patients... when a patient isn't forthcoming that leaves the doctors with patients who are idiots and likely to harm themselves and the doctor in the future by not providing the information needed... I wouldn't take that liability when patients choose to be evasive or outright liars...
I prefer doctors not be counselers, I don't need it. The doctors are there for one reason, to treat my illness and thats it! I really don't need a saftey lecture from my doctor. If you choose to lie, then you are only hurting yourself.
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