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Old 07-29-2010, 12:50 PM
 
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LAS VEGAS — The netroots, the liberal Democrats who've been instrumental in making the Internet an important political tool, are disappointed in President Barack Obama.
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In a 17,000-plus-word piece published in The Nation on Thursday, journalist Eric Alterman calls the Obama presidency “a big disappointment” for progressives and blames a broken system in Washington that he says allows the minority party to rule with impunity — and special interests and big money to dictate legislative policy.

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“Face it,” he concludes, “the system is rigged, and it’s rigged against us.” His essay is subtitled: “Why a progressive presidency is impossible for now.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/39565.html#ixzz0v6AprACH

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The system is "rigged" against you? I could have sworn that us conservatives were saying that Obama had nothing to offer back in 2008. And now you say you're disappointed? Sorry, all of your concerns are falling on deaf ears. Now that Obama has had a chance to prove his worth, liberals and Democrats will pay for it at the polls in 2010 and 2012. You have no one to blame but yourself.

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Old 07-29-2010, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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I am not entirely convinced that a GOP controlled Congress after November will be any better than the Democrat controlled Congress we have now. It will depend on the type of GOP we get. They will either be the 1995 through 2000 fiscally responsible Republicans, or the 2001 through 2006 fiscally irresponsible Republicans. Tossing out fiscally irresponsible Democrats just to replace them with fiscally irresponsible Republicans is not an improvement.

Democrats will indeed pay for their irresponsibility in 2010 and 2012, just as the GOP paid for their irresponsibility in 2006 and 2008. The unanswered question is, have the GOP learned their lesson or will they continue to be as irresponsible as the Democrats have been?
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Old 07-29-2010, 01:14 PM
 
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I am not entirely convinced that a GOP controlled Congress after November will be any better than the Democrat controlled Congress we have now. It will depend on the type of GOP we get. They will either be the 1995 through 2000 fiscally responsible Republicans, or the 2001 through 2006 fiscally irresponsible Republicans. Tossing out fiscally irresponsible Democrats just to replace them with fiscally irresponsible Republicans is not an improvement.

Democrats will indeed pay for their irresponsibility in 2010 and 2012, just as the GOP paid for their irresponsibility in 2006 and 2008. The unanswered question is, have the GOP learned their lesson or will they continue to be as irresponsible as the Democrats have been?
Those are very good points. I, for one, will be watching with a very keen eye those Republicans who are elected on a fiscal conservatism platform. I'm sure every conservative will do the same. The Tea Party platform will be alive and well until at least the 2012 elections. The remaining incumbents could see themselves in hot water if they don't shape up. I think legislators are getting that message quite clear.

As far as liberal disappointment goes, I'm eager for the forum liberals to explain their approval or disapproval of Obama. Something tells me very few will show up in this thread.
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Old 07-29-2010, 01:20 PM
 
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I am not entirely convinced that a GOP controlled Congress after November will be any better than the Democrat controlled Congress we have now. It will depend on the type of GOP we get. They will either be the 1995 through 2000 fiscally responsible Republicans, or the 2001 through 2006 fiscally irresponsible Republicans. Tossing out fiscally irresponsible Democrats just to replace them with fiscally irresponsible Republicans is not an improvement.

Democrats will indeed pay for their irresponsibility in 2010 and 2012, just as the GOP paid for their irresponsibility in 2006 and 2008. The unanswered question is, have the GOP learned their lesson or will they continue to be as irresponsible as the Democrats have been?
It depends on if we get the right conservatives in there. There are a lot of RHINOs in the republican party right now. They aren't conservative, they are liberals wearing conservative suits.

Having full control on any side is bad, but we do need enough control to reverse some of the damage done with this congress and president. We need to repeal the health care bill and get a lot of these "government control" programs killed and off the table.

Ideally, it would be best if we had enough from either side of the isle to which government can't get anything done. This was the entire purpose behind our system in the first place. When politicians talk about wanting to make government process more efficient, its a bad thing, we want them extremely inefficient. That is why they don't need to be running everything. An efficient government will enslave the people, regardless of which side of the isle is running it.
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Old 07-29-2010, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Obama and the dems MISREAD the mandate they had from the electorate, which was not expecting a lurch to the Left from a candidate who POSED as a moderate.
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Old 07-29-2010, 01:25 PM
 
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As far as liberal disappointment goes, I'm eager for the forum liberals to explain their approval or disapproval of Obama. Something tells me very few will show up in this thread.
That bothers me a bit concerning that. I am a conservative, and when Bush started doing non-conservative things, I expressed my disagreement with it. I don't follow a party, I follow core principals to which the party and those that represent it were supposed to uphold. When they stopped doing that, I objected to it, as I am an individual who can think for their own.

For those who would become silent when a issue like this occurs, it shows that they were more concerned about being part of the "party" and not that of any core system of value or position. If they won't object to their own party making errors, then they are simply sheep following the herd without thought or understanding of their own.
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Old 07-29-2010, 01:46 PM
 
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That bothers me a bit concerning that. I am a conservative, and when Bush started doing non-conservative things, I expressed my disagreement with it. I don't follow a party, I follow core principals to which the party and those that represent it were supposed to uphold. When they stopped doing that, I objected to it, as I am an individual who can think for their own.

For those who would become silent when a issue like this occurs, it shows that they were more concerned about being part of the "party" and not that of any core system of value or position. If they won't object to their own party making errors, then they are simply sheep following the herd without thought or understanding of their own.
I agree 100%.

I too have openly expressed my disapproval of actions by conservative legislators on certain issues. Medicare Part D makes my blood boil even to this day. I was very angry at GWB and the GOP. I still am in that respect.

I guess in the end it doesn't matter what is said on this forum, though. The proof will be in the pudding - which will be quite evident come 2010/2012. I have no doubt whatsoever.
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Old 07-29-2010, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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when ONE party controlls all THREE houses..it usually sucks
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Old 07-29-2010, 01:58 PM
 
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It depends on if we get the right conservatives in there. There are a lot of RHINOs in the republican party right now. They aren't conservative, they are liberals wearing conservative suits.

Having full control on any side is bad, but we do need enough control to reverse some of the damage done with this congress and president. We need to repeal the health care bill and get a lot of these "government control" programs killed and off the table.

Ideally, it would be best if we had enough from either side of the isle to which government can't get anything done. This was the entire purpose behind our system in the first place. When politicians talk about wanting to make government process more efficient, its a bad thing, we want them extremely inefficient. That is why they don't need to be running everything. An efficient government will enslave the people, regardless of which side of the isle is running it.

Only in america can pols to the right of Attila the Hun be called Rhinos.
Dems are a center-right party, Repubs a FAR right one. farther right than anthing seen since the 30's in world terms.
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Old 07-29-2010, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Default Democratic President + Democratic Congress = DISAPPOINTMENT

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'Netroots' disappointed in Obama, but want him to succeed - Politics AP - MiamiHerald.com (http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/07/25/1746212/netroots-disappointed-in-obama.html - broken link)



http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/39565.html#ixzz0v6AprACH

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The system is "rigged" against you? I could have sworn that us conservatives were saying that Obama had nothing to offer back in 2008. And now you say you're disappointed? Sorry, all of your concerns are falling on deaf ears. Now that Obama has had a chance to prove his worth, liberals and Democrats will pay for it at the polls in 2010 and 2012. You have no one to blame but yourself.

Take solace in the fact that you can always enjoy your fond memories of the Bush years when the GOP controlled everything.
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