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Old 08-03-2010, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I think I would rather have a less libertarian view of the world (good story, not my own).

Essay:My Life Story in a Libertarian Parallel Universe - RationalWiki
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Old 08-03-2010, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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I think I would rather have a less libertarian view of the world (good story, not my own).

Essay:My Life Story in a Libertarian Parallel Universe - RationalWiki
Anything taken to extreme is bad. Most libertarians are in favor of a simpler tax code, less government agencies (there are some that are needed), and personal choice on many matters.
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Old 08-03-2010, 02:07 PM
 
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I think the majority of people who is for big government and entailment programs work for a local or the federal government.
Teachers, postal workers etc. And you can't blame them for that. They just want to make sure the government is here to provide them livelihood.
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Old 08-03-2010, 03:21 PM
 
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I think the majority of people who is for big government and entailment programs work for a local or the federal government.
Teachers, postal workers etc. And you can't blame them for that. They just want to make sure the government is here to provide them livelihood.

What the hell is an entailment program? I don't think federal employment is neccesarily considered to be the same as entitlement programs. If you want argue that government pensions are too high, I'd be in agreement with you--but this is more true at the state level. I'm fine with paying postal workers or teachers a reasonable salary--I think that's much different than any kind of welfare whether to individuals or corporations.

But just to remind people where that tax money is really going...

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Old 08-03-2010, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Copiague, NY
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Our safety net of social programs is only the cost of doing business in a capitalistic construct, in our system we can't have 100% employment, that's a fact, what will the remaining population do after the jobs are gone overseas or to a machine in your own town? In his book,The End of WorkJeremy Rifkin has laid out the future scenario in a grim realization that work may be coming to an end for millions of people, we are looking at the largest unemployment numbers ever, I hope the upper class will find it in their collective hearts to provide something for those who lost their means of self sustainment, yes you too could be one of those folks in the soup line..........
Aside from the much understood frustrations that are felt by pretty much all of those responding to the OP, it is this prospect that frightens me the most,
that surely, if we continue along this tragic path, there will come a day when there will be no jobs for the greatest majority of the people of America. Perhaps the
saddest reality will be that we will not have even the resources necessary to sustain even the most modest of lifestyles. It is far too late to turn back the
hands of time to a day when one could plant the food that fed the family or grab that fishing pole or net and farm the oceans or the rivers of America. Gone are the
days when the family doctor was paid with a slaughtered hog or a few dressed chickens, doctors have become businessmen and formed partnerships with other doctors
and have structured these businesses as LLC's in the hope of limiting the liabilities in this fast growing world of torts and suits. The concept of insuring themselves against
malpractice suits has left the independent candidate who considers the profession of doctor, quite apt to have regret that they didn't enroll in law school and get in line
for the big money.

We've become too dependent upon a structured society and the mechanisms that are provided for our maintenance, the roads and bridges, the social programs, educating
each successive generation that will be charged with the responsibility of keeping the system going after we have passed on. Just considering the simple aspect of supplying the
oil that it takes to keep us moving down the highway or to maintain our ability to continue to coat our society in the plastic convenience of a "throw-away" nation. As it is now,
our children are eating fast-food and fattening themselves up on cholesterol, starch and food additives that are more closely associated with chemistry than nutrition. Until the time
that this looming time of growing crisis, foments to a boil, I'm reasonably sure that we as a nation, will continue to spiral down into this social abyss, deeper and deeper until we hit
a horrible bottom.
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Old 08-03-2010, 03:40 PM
 
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What the hell is an entailment program? I don't think federal employment is neccesarily considered to be the same as entitlement programs. If you want argue that government pensions are too high, I'd be in agreement with you--but this is more true at the state level. I'm fine with paying postal workers or teachers a reasonable salary--I think that's much different than any kind of welfare whether to individuals or corporations.
I was just suggesting that people who work in the private sector usually are not against tax cuts
whereas people who work for the government local or federal tend not to like the idea of cutting taxes.
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Old 08-03-2010, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Lincoln County Road or Armageddon
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I was just suggesting that people who work in the private sector usually are not against tax cuts
whereas people who work for the government local or federal tend not to like the idea of cutting taxes.
Could be that people who work for the government understand you don't get something for nothing.
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Old 08-03-2010, 05:38 PM
 
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Works totally fine in most western countries. The Pilgrim example is kinda outdated.
Human nature is human nature (never gets outdated), and yes, I see how well it is doing. Greece is splitting at the seams (most liberal) while Deutchland (most capitalist) is doing pretty well.

Have any idea how much a Big Mac, for example, costs in London? Socialism is always struggling with shortages because nobody, as I already informed you, chips in.

As I, and history, said, your ideas don't work. Sorry, but those facts don't change because they don't suit a particular agenda, but those are the facts.
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Old 08-03-2010, 05:38 PM
 
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Could be that people who work for the government understand you don't get something for nothing.
Do you have to work for the government to understand that?
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Old 08-03-2010, 05:41 PM
 
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This is the biggest load of crap. Republicans held Congress for 12 years, so why why why didn't they resolve ANY of what you babbled about above? Last I checked in the historical archives, entitlement programs were just as strong then as it is now. Oh and by the way, Federal Government GREW during the Bush years, so yet again, more babble.

Thats the problem with the scripted response from some of your right wingers, YOU can NEVER back up the scripted babble without appearing like an hypocrit.
Just exactly was the last time you checked in the Historical Archives, or are you just talking out of your hat.
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