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Old 08-04-2010, 01:14 PM
 
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The chairman of the Communist Party USA has praised Obama's policies.
What does that make him then?
Do you understand the notion of "the lesser of two evils?" From the CPUSA website:

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So to those on the left who say "we told you so" about Obama and the expanded Democratic majority, we can reply "and so you think that McCain and the Republicans would have been better?".

But criticism of Obama for specific policy decisions, especially from people who are not floating around in the Cloud Cuckoo-Land of the ultra left, but rather are intensely engaged in the mass struggle, is another matter. In many cases when Obama makes rightward-tending decisions, whether they are concessions to pressure or reflect his own basic views, they are almost never attributable to the pressure of mass public opinion. The American people as a whole are not in favor of more U.S. involvement in wars in Afghanistan and elsewhere. They do not support the U.S. blockade of Cuba. They want financial help for working people, not crooked financiers. The public opinion polls bear this out. An exception might be the health care debate in which Obama, instead of coming up with a clear program and using his awesome communications skills to explain it to the American people, conceded the leadership to Congress, which is sort of like dumping the thing into a cage full of rabid squirrels. The result is a frustrating mess which has a lot of people confused who would otherwise support progressive reform. This has made it possible for the Republican right to step in with their vicious nonsense about "death panels" and the rest.

When Obama makes concessions to reactionary vested interests, he undermines "democratic coalition" of which others have written. He opens the door to a return to power of the G.O.P. For such things, it is absolutely essential that we forcefully criticise the Obama administration's policies.

In the wake of the 2008 elections, some comrades were talking about Obama in an excessively adulatory tone. I hope we have got past this and now can return to basing our judgments, statements and positions on a scientific analysis of the state of the class struggle, defending or criticizing the administration as the situation requires.
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Old 08-04-2010, 01:17 PM
 
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btw, Savage calls Obama a fascist if I recall, not a socialist.. At least someone got it right..
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Old 08-04-2010, 01:19 PM
 
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DuuuuuH, that would be to make lots of money off of fools.
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Old 08-04-2010, 01:20 PM
 
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You don't know what a Marxist is then, unless you think a progressive tax structure is Marxist, in which case, every American president during the 40s, 50s, and 60s were Marxists
No he believes that the means of production must belong to society not to one or a few men.
That's why he likes nationalizing companies. And that's pure Marxism.
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Old 08-04-2010, 01:24 PM
 
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Do you understand the notion of "the lesser of two evils?" From the CPUSA website:

The OP asked why people call Obama Socialist. What does McCain have to do with that?
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Old 08-04-2010, 01:26 PM
 
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No he believes that the means of production must belong to society not to one or a few men.
That's why he likes nationalizing companies. And that's pure Marxism.
Um, the partial nationalization of GM and Chrysler was done to prevent the collapse of the companies and a result of the enormous use of federal and taxpayer company to prevent it from absolutely going under. Everything else he's one, particularly the health care situation flies in the face of your false characterization of him as someone who wants to abolish private property.
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Old 08-04-2010, 01:27 PM
 
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The OP asked why people call Obama Socialist. What does McCain have to do with that?
Maybe if you actually read the post you would understand? You stated "The chairman of the Communist Party USA has praised Obama's policies," which I responded to. As far as the OP, I've already answered the question: Out of ignorance, pure and simple. He's not a socialist by any stretch of the imagination, and if he was, he'd likely have been assassinated.
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Old 08-04-2010, 01:32 PM
 
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Um, the partial nationalization of GM and Chrysler was done to prevent the collapse of the companies and a result of the enormous use of federal and taxpayer company to prevent it from absolutely going under. Everything else he's one, particularly the health care situation flies in the face of your false characterization of him as someone who wants to abolish private property.
Yeah, he's saved us from the Great Depression-2 as well.
That's such a lame excuse. Have you heard of bankruptcy?
That's how it works in real life if you can't pay the bills you file bankruptcy.
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Old 08-04-2010, 01:35 PM
 
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Because he is one? He believes that big government to take care of the people is the way to go.
Then why the hell isn't my health care free of charge under Obamacare?
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Old 08-04-2010, 01:37 PM
 
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Then why the hell isn't my health care free of charge under Obamacare?
Probably because he's an incompetent socialist?
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