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The law sets out maximum “personal use” amounts for drugs, also including LSD and methamphetamine.
Violence is rapidly escalating in Mexico - a sign that legalizing all drugs doesn't magically solve the problems of drug violence.
Violence is increasing ON THE BORDER. With drug traffic.
In Mexico, the violence is nill.
Mexicos drug violence is linked directly to the illegal nature of the drugs in the states. Where there is money to be made on illegal things, there is violence, period.
Marijuana isn't physically addictive. Its only mentally addictive in less than 1% of the population (which is less addictive than coke people drink).
The only way marijuana is known to be possibly harmful, is smoking it, as with any other plant matter. Of course, if you vaporize it, eat it, and use it to make butter, or other ways of consumption that are completely harmless.
Do you have evidence to the contrary?
It doesn't even completely metabolize. It stays stored up in the fat cells, and it's effects linger and accumulate.
Now someone can have a glass of wine or a beer and with alcohol being what it is, it can be completely cleared from your body in a matter of hours - depending on the amount. Not so with pot which will stay and pile up, can be detectable weeks later.
To claim pot is completely harmless means you haven't met the pot heads I've known. They're permanently zoned out.
But back to the topic of this thread. I was logically arguing for the legalization of all drugs and in fact taking it to the next step which is not just to have the government make all drugs legal - but just like everything else, we must always be fair - and it wouldn't be fair for the jobless and homeless drug addicts to be denied their drugs so it's time for the government to make these happy drugs available to them. And it solves the big problem of citizen unhappiness and unrest and helps the politicians at election time.
The law sets out maximum “personal use” amounts for drugs, also including LSD and methamphetamine.
Violence is rapidly escalating in Mexico - a sign that legalizing all drugs doesn't magically solve the problems of drug violence.
Decriminalization is not legalization.
Legalization involves taxation and regulation rather than the absence of penalties for users. Claiming that Mexico has "legalized" drugs is like claiming that 1920s America had "legalized" alcohol (given that Prohibition in most US states did not involve penalties for users of alcohol).
Legalization would cause these problems to end. Legalization does not exist in Mexico. There are a number of Mexicans who would love legalization but the US has the ultimate veto over Mexico's policymaking.
If you're wondering where the police were in Creel: who do you think was doing those activities and was captured on camera? Many of those cartel guys are cops and an even larger number are ex-cops who still have friends on the force (and often in LE agencies on the US side of the border, too - there's some debate as to how much the cartels have infiltrated the DEA, although no conclusive answer)
Violence is increasing ON THE BORDER. With drug traffic.
In Mexico, the violence is nill.
Mexicos drug violence is linked directly to the illegal nature of the drugs in the states. Where there is money to be made on illegal things, there is violence, period.
No it's not. You're completely ignoring the fact that drug addiction rates throughout Mexico are soaring. These guys weren't smuggling drugs over the border, Creel isn't even on the border. They're coked up sicarios, hitmen.
Just like Michoacan has big problems - it's not on the border either. Have you read how the drug rehabs in Mexico have faced massacres? Drug use in Mexico is a huge problem and a lot of this is still rivalry over who will control now decriminalized drug trafficking on Mexican streets.
If you're wondering where the police were in Creel: who do you think was doing those activities and was captured on camera? Many of those cartel guys are cops and an even larger number are ex-cops who still have friends on the force (and often in LE agencies on the US side of the border, too - there's some debate as to how much the cartels have infiltrated the DEA, although no conclusive answer)
Which is why I said essentially drugs are legal in Mexico. The government doesn't choose to stop the traffickers, and the police and government officials are very much in on it.
The almost 30,000 killed so far were not all smuggling drugs into the USA. A large number of them were sidewalk drug dealers, selling drugs in Mexico, many of the killed never stepped foot in the USA at least not to smuggle over the border.
No it's not. You're completely ignoring the fact that drug addiction rates throughout Mexico are soaring. These guys weren't smuggling drugs over the border, Creel isn't even on the border. They're coked up sicarios, hitmen.
Who are most likely cops or ex-cops. Most sicarios in Mexico are ex-cops, some are still on the force.
Creel isn't on the border but Chihuahua state does border Texas.
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Just like Michoacan has big problems - it's not on the border either. Have you read how the drug rehabs in Mexico have faced massacres? Drug use in Mexico is a huge problem and a lot of this is still rivalry over who will control now decriminalized drug trafficking on Mexican streets.
So how is this different from 1920s America?
No penalties for small amounts of alcohol for personal use did not stop Prohibition violence (although it did mean no prison-industrial complex - in fact there was a school of thought amongst the "temperance" crowd that prohibition failed because users of alcohol were not targeted). Legalization stopped it.
Has anyone been killed over alcohol distribution rights in the US since the mid 1930s? No.
Anyhow I'm doing just what the thread is about - I AM arguing logically for the legalization of all drugs - and even for the next step which is to have the government drug us, keep us drugged and happy.
Here's some great pro-drug arguments from some drug users themselves - notice how great the drugs are for providing them an escape from their situation? Why wouldn't that be the greatest thing for all of us now that the government is destroying our middle class lifestyle - just get us the drugs man, we'll be happy then. We'll be soooooo happy. Whatever happens after - just get us high and we'll be happy, it will be our escape.
Which is why I said essentially drugs are legal in Mexico. The government doesn't choose to stop the traffickers, and the police and government officials are very much in on it.
By that definition, there was never Prohibition in the US and alcohol remained legal through the 1919-33 period, given that police and government officials were very much in on the illicit alcohol trade during the Prohibition years, and Capone even gave money to pro-Prohibition politicians in Illinois because he was more scared of repeal than anything else.
Nice attempt at revisionist history on your part.
Prohibition ENCOURAGES corruption, crime, and economic inefficiency and waste.
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The almost 30,000 killed so far were not all smuggling drugs into the USA.
How many were connected to groups that were involved in smuggling into the US?
My guess is a pretty large percentage even if they had no connection to the US itself.
A Proctor man told police he was concerned about his girlfriend’s alcohol use and that he dumped out bottles of liquor before the couple got into a fight in which she stabbed him in the stomach on Thursday.
Two Long Beach cousins showed no reaction Friday as they were sentenced to life in prison for intentionally shooting a Buena Park liquor store clerk and a customer in the head during a robbery captured on videotape.
Man convicted in Sacramento liquor store murder - San Jose Mercury News (http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_15631687 - broken link)
A Southern California man is facing a possible death sentence after a jury convicted him of fatally stabbing a liquor store owner during a robbery in Sacramento.
Tips from concerned residents helped Anniston police catch one of the people accused of the armed robbery of a liquor store in Saks.
And the list could go on and on and on. Contrary to popular opinion, alcohol associated violence did not end with the end of Prohibition. Alcohol leads to much violence.
But I'm arguing with you guys - let the government not only legalize all drugs but provide them. It would solve a lot of problems especially as people face long-term unemployment and the destruction of their lives.
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